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Gun Nut + Obama = FAIL

god guns guts Gun Nut + Obama = FAILFull confession:  I don’t like guns.  Except for the one and only time that I held a gun in my life, when suddenly I completely loved guns.  I was over at my friend’s house, and he owned a gun, and he handed me his fully-loaded .44 Magnum (the most powerful handgun in the world), and suddenly my brain said to me:  “Ohmigod this is so great and let’s go shoot something right now!  Let’s shoot something!  Anything!  EVERYTHING!”  The gun was heavy and metal and oiled and this is all sort of becoming weirdly sexual so I’ll stop now, but — ANY-way, the experience of holding a fully loaded weapon in my hands for seven seconds was totally rad.

Apart from that one experience, though, I totally disapprove of guns.  For one thing, guns are generally used to kill people, and — oh, brothers and sisters, can’t we just stop?  Am I right?  …Who’s with me?  Let’s put less effort into killing people and more effort into not killing people.  …Am I right?  Yeah.  You know that I’m right.

But now, the gun-lovers among you are stirring in your chairs and coughing and saying something like:  “…But hunting.”  Yeah.  Okay.  I hear you.  I get you.  Hunting, fine.  Look, I grew up in rural Pennsylvania.  Deer-land.  I am the only person in my family who hasn’t crashed his car into a deer, and that’s not because the people in my family are bad drivers, but because — jeez, there are so many deer in Pennsylvania.  And I understand; I understand.  Without hunters to, say, keep the deer population down, then deer would become prevalent.  Highly prevalent.  We’d be brushing off deer on our way to the bathroom in the morning and shoveling deer off our driveways and when we opened up a cereal box and shook it over an empty bowl, nothing but deer would come tumbling out.  There’d be a hundred and fifty channels on TV and nothing but deer on them, for example.

So, fine.  Hunting, I get that.  Rifles should be allowed for hunting and then be kept locked up at all times when not used for hunting.  Especially since the whole 2nd Amendment “guns are so great” argument is probably based on nothing more than a misunderstanding of the 18th century use of commas.

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story Gun Nut + Obama = FAILSo, but that’s just me, and I don’t like guns.  But some people really do like them.  Take, for example, the friendly gentleman to our left.  His name is William Kostric and he really likes guns.  He likes them so much, in fact, that he felt the need to share his love with others.  Specifically, he decided to share his love with the people attending a health care town-hall meeting in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.  And more specifically, Mr. Kostric decided to share his gun-love with our President, Barack Obama, who was also at the town-hall meeting.  So — as we can see from the photo to the left — he loaded a pistol, strapped it to his leg, and went off to hang out with the President.

Now, you or I might think that bringing a loaded gun to a public event featuring the President might send…  the wrong message.  Like, maybe — I dunno — the idea that you might want to shoot the President or something.  Especially when you’re waving a sign that says “IT IS TIME TO WATER THE TREE OF LIBERTY.”  (A reference to the quote by Thomas Jefferson, which runs, in full:  “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots.”)  So, okay.  Thomas Jefferson:  good guy.  Guns:  okay-ish.  Handmade signs advocating violent rebellion:  sometimes a little sketchy.  …But put all three of these things in combination, and some people might start to think that Gee, maybe you want to shoot the President.

But not so, says Mr. Kostric!  Far from it, in fact.  …And here, live on MSNBC, William Kostric explains his motivation for bringing a loaded weapon to a presidential event, while also having a super-fun-time conversation with  the relentlessly blow-dried and overbearing Chris Matthews.  Please to enjoy:

So many things…  to like about this conversation.  First of all, I love love love Mr. Kostric’s assertion that he only brought along the gun to “remind Americans of their 2nd Amendment rights.”  I know!  Man, I do stuff like that all the time, whenever I go anywhere.  Like, whenever I head to the supermarket, I’m always packing heat.  But I don’t stop there, unlike lazy, lazy Mr. Kostric.  For instance, say I’m going to my friend’s house.  Number one, I’m gonna be drunk, to remind everyone that the 21st Amendment repealed the prohibition of alcohol.  “TWENTY-FIRST AMENDMENT BITCHES!!” I drunkenly shout, once I arrive.

But I don’t stop there!  Number two, I’m just SHOUTING THE WHOLE TIME I’M ANYWHERE OUT IN PUBLIC — to remind people of that most sacred right, our Freedom of Speech.  And other things I do when I’m at public events include:

1)  Blasphemy.
2)  Gathering huge crowds of people around me.
3)  Telling the King of England to f–ck off.
4)  Abolishing slavery.
5)  Giving continual interviews to members of the press.
6)  Petitioning members of Congress.
7)  Incriminating myself, by shouting things like, “JESUS OLIVER, YOU ARE WAY TOO DRUNK RIGHT NOW…  21ST AMENDMENT, WHOOOOOOOOO!”
8)  Seizing public land, while screaming, “EMINENT DOMAIN, BITCHES!!  …WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!”
9)  And so on and so forth…

All of which Mr. William Kostric is apparently too lazy to do.  What’s the problem, Mr. Kostric?  Don’t you love our freedoms?  Don’t you love our Constitution?  …Because as we know, if we all aren’t constantly exercising  all of our rights all of the time, then these things will wither away and die, like an atrophied muscle, or like a foreign language that you studied for a while in high school.

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…The second thing to love about the MSNBC interview is William Kostric’s assertion that it would have been “safer” if “everyone at the town-hall meeting was carrying a gun.”  I know!  That’d be so safe!  Like, the end of “Reservoir Dogs” level safe!  A thousand angry Republicans and a thousand angry Democrats, all packed into a tiny space, all carrying guns.  Oh, the feeling of safety!

But honestly, I have always loved the gun-nut assertion that the world would be a much better and less violent place if only everyone was fully armed all the time.  It’s a great argument — because not only is it based on an approximately 0% understanding of human nature, but it also gives me the excuse to post a link to this cartoon, which I love.

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….And the final thing to like about the interview is Mr. Kostric’s half-heartedly  mumbled assertion that, no, he totally has nothing to do with those “Birthers” or with any wacky paranoid groups like that.

But sadly, this is not the case.  According to research done by Salon Magazine, Kostric is a member of “We the People” — a far-right Birther group that has filed lawsuits claiming that Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen.  Among the other causes that Kostric supports is the right of states to secede from the Union, the abolition of the income tax, and the right to shoot nosy police officers if they enter your house — as revealed in a comment that he left on a website message board; a comment defending the right of drug dealers to shoot cops who “violate” their “rights”:

If people can’t wake up and see why it’s immoral to trespass and destroy someones property, kidnap and lock them in a cage for growing a plant in their backyard then perhaps a body count is what’s required for change.

I personally feel zero sympathy for those cops.  I reserve my sympathy for the victims of the nonsense they initiate.

Fun stuff.  But oh, Mr. Kostric, you disappoint me.  I thought that you were at least…  original.  But no.  It’s just always the same complaints about “Socialism” and the same half-baked, faux-“Libertarian” crapola over and over again…  isn’t it?

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Further information about Mr. Kostric comes from his MySpace page, where he lists his heroes as being Ayn Rand (duh), Ron Paul (double-duh), Thomas Jefferson (fine), and…  Randy Weaver, the white supremacist arms-dealer who took part in a shoot-out with federal agents.¹

William Kostric’s MySpace page also includes the following quote, in the “About Me” section:

“I would rather be ashes than dust!  I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than it should be stifled by dry rot.  I would rather be a superb meteor, every atom of me in magnificent glow, than a sleepy and permanent planet.  The proper function of man is to live, not to exist.”

A nice quote.  Although a perhaps a little disturbing given the context of a man who thinks it’s okay to bring along a gun when meeting the President, and who says that “perhaps a body count is required for a change.”

Unfortunately, the quote is from the novelist Jack London, who was…  a Socialist.  And so, congrats, Mr. Kostric.  You spent your time on MSNBC whining and moaning about “Socialism.”  You have, apparently, spent your whole life opposing “Socialism” in all its non-existent forms.  And yet, the first person you quote on your MySpace page is…  a Socialist.

Reading Comprehension Fail.  Gun-Nut Fail.  Libertarian Fail.  Ayn Rand Fail.  Town-Hall Fail.  MySpace Fail.  MSNBC Fail.  Socialism Fail.  2nd Amendment Fail.  …Everything FAIL.

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Footnotes/Update:

¹  I received an email from…  William Kostric (of all people), informing me that Randy Weaver is a White Separatist, not a White Supremacist.  So.  A vitally important difference, apparently.  Anyway, I’m willing to take Mr. Kostric’s word on this, and I apologize for getting my different types of crazy people mixed up.

²  That is all.

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  • NHTPC

    WE all refused to talk to Chris Matthews that day — he was the day’s most unpopular media person.

  • Crystal

    Clearly you cannot be taken seriously as you have neglected the simple difference of to versus too. How can anyone not remember this simple elementary grammar rule?

  • Dr Atkinson

    You seem to have overlooked the fact that what Mr. Kostric did was perfectly legal and the police and secret service took no action or even asked his name.
    His comments re shooting cops obviously refers to marijuana, a false war on drugs. Start checking across the country on how many innocent people are killed by SWAT raids due to false information or the wrong address, you might be willing to die for the state, I am not.
    You sir are blind to what is going on in this country, I am ashamed to think that I was like you once. I thank George W. Bush for waking me up to the perils of tyranny by our government.
    I thankfully converted from a irrational Demorat to a thinking Independent.

    A armed society is a polite society.

  • http://www.frumpgazette.com Frumpzilla

    Brilliant, Oliver! I’m so very glad that I found your site. Never mind the numbskulls and wingnuts, they’re like bugs that only crawl out of the woodwork when Truth is around. They HATE the Truth – it threatens to fill their dark little dream worlds with light and make them oh so ordinary.

    You just keep on doing what you’re doing LOUDLY, you are far more courageous than the silly twits that try to drown you out.

    PS You’re quite good at this, I know because I’m old. I’ve seen it all.

  • Mason Lerner

    Am I the only person that has ever noticed Chris Matthews looks just like a 60 year-old Agent Mulder? Or David Duchovony, for those of us grounded in the “real world.”

  • Mason Lerner

    Oh, I hadn’t noticed you used “to” instead of “too.” I didn’t read the comments, I just put my head down like a fullback and barreled on through to express myself. I am not going to verify whether or not you misused “to”, because verification is waaaaaaaaaaay out of date. I will just assume it is true. And if it is, this fundamentally proves that Kostric is right. Sorry, dude.

  • Tony

    The President’s rights do not trump mine. He is not a King he is a a servant.

    President Obama has people protecting him whom you and I pay for. There is no one paid to protect me (and don’t say the police are because the courts have ruled consistently that they are not).

    If shit goes down I need to be able to protect me and mine too.

    Additionally, this man was outside the 1000′ radius required by the Secret Service so this entire thing is completely overblown.

  • Oliver Miller

    I swear to god, I have re-read this article a thousand times and I can’t find where I supposedly misused “to/too.” If anyone sees it, let me know.

    “An armed society is a polite society.” I love it. Yeah. Like Russia. Or Afghanistan. Or Israel. Or America. Or Iraq. Or Burma. Hey, let’s go hang out in one of these places. …Short field trip to Burma, anyone?

  • Hannah

    Hi,

    Although I don’t like guns there is a need for it, sorry to say.

    I am serious in suggestion you watch the Documentary: Innocents Betrayed. I am a grandma with 6 children, 6 grandchildren, and all I would like for everyone to be able to keep safe. Gun control kills millions. Might sound ridiculous but honestly, after you have watched the documentary you will see what I mean. Gun control by the government is done for only one reason: to put the boot in! to oppress the people and the way things are going in USA, your very nearly there. Martial law is a term you see more and more, it’s to desensitize the people to the term. Once they put it in place, you will be in USSA!!!
    Please don’t dismiss what I am saying… I have been around a bit longer than you have and have a good idea what is about to happen to your freedom.. all I can say is: you are not going to like it, not one bit!!

  • http://freetalklive.com Mark Edge

    Randy Weaver is not a white supremacist. I’ve interviewed him. That is the easy kind of smear that the main steam media uses to pigeon-hole people.

  • jcm52

    My best guess for what someone might think is the to/too issue is your sentence:
    “Without hunters to, say, keep the deer population down, then deer would become prevalent.”
    It’s the only place where using ‘too’ could almost mean something (almost, but not quite).

    An interesting fact: Timothy McVeigh was particularly fond of the watering the tree quote… I believe he was actually wearing a shirt with that quote when he was arrested.

  • kirk

    I agree that we don’t all need to “shout” all of our rights all of the time, but doesn’t it then follow that someone like William needs to balance out someone who has only held a gun once? One thing from the Matthews interview that really disturbed me was the impression that Matthews seemed to have that the President was somehow more deserving of deferrence and respect than the average citizen.

    I am glad that you have the ability to exercise your right of free speech, but I am no less glad that William has the ability to exercise his right to bear arms.

  • http://www.freestateproject.org Keith

    I don’t see the point in saying hateful things about peaceful people. This isn’t high school.

    If you care about freedom (and it clearly seems like you don’t), then you should consider moving to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project ( http://www.freestateproject.org )like William.

    Either way, Live Free or Die!

  • Tom

    Everything Mr. Kostric did was legal. Mathews is a hack and follows whatever the left wing establishment tells him. The only thing hard about hardball is stomaching his biased attitude. Non Christians quote Jesus all the time to prove societal points so does that make their use of the quote invalid? Also good thing he bought his side arm because if he didn’t the situation with this union thug would have escalated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUxjahek0f8
    So besides following the Constitution what did Mr. Kostric do wrong?
    A responsible gun owner acting responsibly?!? Absurd! I know.
    Oliver Miller trying to show that our Constitution does not apply to our modern society even though the heart of man has remained unchanged for time immemorial: fail
    But besides that I agree with Mr. Kostric…good stuff….keep being a cutting edge no nonsense type of guy so full of spunk…

  • say wah-haaat?

    Wait, there’s one way Kostric isn’t FAIL – Irony, as you so amusingly demonstrated.

  • jeffersonian1971

    Without the 2nd amendment we will lose the 1st, 3rd, 4th ect. ect…

    “When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.” – Thomas Jefferson

  • Tom

    To JMC52 what McVeigh was wearing was a shirt that said SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS. Which is the phrase of the Virgina State Flag and Seal that means “thus always to tyrants.” It was recommended By George Mason in 1776. It is often mistranslated as “death to tyrants.”

  • Oliver Miller

    I completely agree that what William Kostric did was legal.

    And I agree that the President should have no more rights than any other citizen. Not so long ago, average Joes like you and me could, in fact, just make an appointment at the White House and hang out with the President. Hell, Andrew Jackson would just invite people in off the street.

    Unfortunately, what started happening was that Presidents started getting shot. So, even though it is technically legal, I don’t think it’s a good idea to let people with guns near the President.

    That’s the whole problem with insane assassins. They sort of ruin things for the rest of us.

    For the record, I do think the 2nd Amendment article that I linked to is really interesting — and it does make a strong case that we have completely misinterpreted that Amendment.

    Here’s the link again:

    “Clause and Effect” — very interesting. Click here to read it.

  • Sick of Losers

    Mr. Kostric is much too civil for people like you to understand. DID YOU KNOW, that he was assaulted by 2 men that day…and he never touched his gun? He is a peaceful man, exercising his right to bear arms.

    You suggested other ways to remind people of their rights:
    1) Blasphemy. How does this remind people of their rights? It is obnoxious and proves nothing. The only thing is “shows” is your lack of vocabulary.
    2) Gathering huge crowds of people around me. How is this wrong? And what “right” is that, unless it is the right to peaceful assembly, in which case I say, Have At It!
    3) Telling the King of England to f–ck off. Although I don’t like the filthy mouth, I will fight for your right to say it. That is free speech.
    4) Abolishing slavery. Been there done that…. and by Repubicans I might add! Don’t believe it? Study your history. The GOP has ALWAYS been the leaders in civil rights. In fact, Martin Luther King, Jr was a registered Republican!
    5) Giving continual interviews to members of the press. Again, that is wrong?
    6) Petitioning members of Congress. We are their bosses! They work for us. This is called redress and is called for in the Constitution.
    7) Incriminating myself, by shouting things like, “JESUS OLIVER, YOU ARE WAY TOO DRUNK RIGHT NOW… 21ST AMENDMENT, WHOOOOOOOOO!” Do what you have to do!
    8) Seizing public land, while screaming, “EMINENT DOMAIN, BITCHES!! …WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!” Public means “belonging to the people” yet we are told we can’t use it? Excuse me?
    9) And so on and so forth… I am waiting for you to make a point here!

    Let me take a wild guess at this, but I am supposing that you are a non-working leech who expects the taxpayers to support you!

  • Josh

    All I will say is that if you do not personally know William Kostric, please refrain from attacking his character. He is a friend, and an honorable man. Anybody saying otherwise…your impotence is showing.

  • Oliver Miller

    Yes. Just to muddy the waters even more — I have emailed back and forth with William Kostric… and he does indeed seem like a very nice guy.

    William Kostric is considering writing a response to this article. If he does write one, we will publish it in full on this website. I will keep you guys posted.

  • Will Dunbar

    wasn’t ‘thus always to tyrants’ what john wilkes booth shouted when he shot lincoln?

  • Brigham007

    All this built-up hate of an inanimate object is unwarranted. A gun is a mechanical wonder. It has protected us from predators and tyrannical oppressors alike. Mr. Kostric’s physical display of a loaded handgun is his way of expressing what many of us sees as a push by elitist in government to take or limit our right to bear arms. Just as you and Chris Matthews are allowed to talk down your opposition with the right of free speech, Mr. Kostic should be allowed to express his equal right to bear arms.

    You and your ilk have now alarmed many of us who have silently fumed over the countless votes we have spent on those who have consistently been subverted in Washington. We are frustrated that we are not heard. Senator Durbin and other congressmen have joined your elitist attitude in not having town hall meetings where the common folk can disrupt this dialog of mindless dogma.

    We now have the technology that can allow Congress to vote and meet remotely. Bring them home permanently! Have them vote over secure Internet connections and meet in Webinars, but keep them in touch with their constituents and away from the lobbyists and their corrupt cohorts.

    On the gun thing, start with darts and work your way up. Before you know it we’ll have you out shooting at targets and sporting clays. You might even save your family in a home invasion. Remember, “In 98 percent of the times that people use guns defensively, they merely have to brandish a weapon to break off an attack” (More Guns Less Crime, John R. Lott, Jr., p. 3.).

    Oh, you might inform Mr. Matthews that the background check on Mr. Kostric was assurance to the rest of us that he is psychologically sound and safety conscientious.

  • Rick Lempke

    Wow! Typical liberal. You don’t like something so you want to take it away from everyone else rather than letting them have there “freedom of choice” in it. Yeah, Yeah, we get it, you don’t like guns, the Constitution, liberty or sovereignty. He is an in control, law abiding citizen who has proven himself worthy of wielding a gun. We need guns to protect ourselves from thugs like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUxjahek0f8 (notice how well Mr. Kostric conducted himself in this video.) So far ALL acts of violence in this debate have been committed by the liberal side. I hope you guys don’t force us to retaliate and protect ourselves…
    See, the thing about the right to keep and bare arms isn’t anything about your barbaric thoughts in the start of your story. It’s about “checks and balances”. The government should fear the people. That’s how we maintain liberty, not like in how you say “Like Russia. Or Afghanistan. Or Israel. Or Iraq. Or Burma.” where the individuals right isn’t recognized let alone a functioning government. All that you named are police states or overrun by bandits, not like here. So yes, Mr. Oliver, go to Burma yourself where they have the type of “police state” that you are vowing for. That would work out well right now, especially when you have a one party control like right now. I carry EVERYWHERE and what do you know, I’ve never even pulled it.
    But yes, give him your labels like “freestater” or “birther” and link it to evil in an attempt to tarnish him and take away from the message.

  • Rick Lempke

    Also on your comment, “Unfortunately, what started happening was that Presidents started getting shot. So, even though it is technically legal, I don’t think it’s a good idea to let people with guns near the President”…
    Suppose there were “armed citizens” around these assassinations to prevent them from happening… or in Central Park to prevent a rape, or west Chicago to prevent a robbery.
    Gun control? England has 4X the violent crime rate that we do!

  • JDubya

    Oliver, you remind me of the girls on Big Bang Theory. (Not the hot chick, Penny, the ones across the hall from her) You sound like a total puss for not getting Clint Eastwood’s Dirty Harry quote correct. It was a .44 Magnum “the most powerful handgun in the world, and will blow your head clean off…”

    What do you really think would happen if a criminal were among a group of openly armed citizens? They’d be drawn down on quick and it would make them think twice about committing an offense. So again, how exactly is an armed society not a safer one?

    Today in San Antonio we welcome home Marine brother LCpl Travis Babine who died fighting for your right to publish this drivel. Until you actually fire a gun and know its purpose, or serve this great country, don’t put down those who know what it means. Mr. Kostric was excercising his ENUMERATED 2nd Amendment right. He was quite eloquent in his replies to Chris Matthews. Until you have the stones to serve and stand at the ready to defend our freedoms, give it a rest.

    You come off to me as a dumb ass kid you never had a real job and hasn’t ever done a hard days work.

  • Tony

    Oliver,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUxjahek0f8

    You really need to watch that video. William Kostric basically being accosted and intimidated nose to nose by a guy MUCH larger then he is . Not only does he “keep his cool ” , he never even so much as gestures towards his sidearm . Kinda destroys the argument that Kostic was a nut job just waiting to be set off and start shooting.

    In the video Kostic is the guy in the Black shirt with the white vertical pinstripes and the tannish/gray ball cap. Then watch how the thug spits in the face of another person and strolls right passed two cops who are told about the assault that just occurred and dont even make an effort to call the guy back as he walks away and disappears into the crowd !

  • Oliver Miller

    (Whoops! This is a reply to an older comment on the previous page.)

    England absolutely does not have four times the violent crime rate that we do. You can look up statistics for every type of crime at the following link, which I will now post:

    Crime rates (by country), click here to read.

    We have 16 times the number of murders that England does, and nearly four times the violent crime. But my favorite stat, and the one that the above link will take you to, is–

    MURDERS WITH FIREARMS (in the past year)

    U.S. – 9,369

    England – 14

    …Fun stuff.

  • Oliver Miller

    My god! An actual helpful yet angry comment! I did get the quote wrong, it was a .44 Magnum, and I’ve fixed it now. Thanks… I guess…

  • Leo Liberty

    I consider this an attack and not an interview!
    What is your take?
    Are we still a country with the RULE OF LAW?

    We have a failed and out of control government now a failed and out of control media working against the people.

    Ouch, that’s a one-two punch…

    If you think about it, it’s quite simple;
    Is there a violation? yes/no
    Was there a crime committed? yes/no

    It may be irresponsible on his part, but he’s within his RIGHT!
    I don’t think he’s a threat; he’s just not so please with the current direction of “our government” taking over of EVERYTHING!

    So, what’s the issue?

    “— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

    - IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America.

    Did not we just celebrate this day over a month ago?

    I come with Peace and I will leave with

    Peace…

  • Martin

    Interesting discussion. However, I believe you should publish correct stats, unbiased. Just by taking your quoted references, please look at the following:
    Murder / 1000 people: USA UK
    0.042802 0.0140633
    Murder with firearm: 0.0279271 0.00102579
    Police / 1000 people: 2.7-2.8* 2.04871
    * varying sources estimation for the whole USA
    Now, reading this, I can see that we have triple the murder compared to UK. Further I can see that half of the US murder are with firearm. however only less than 10% are committed in the UK with it. That leaves to conclude, that people are quite ingenious to find other ways to kill.
    Last but not least, the US has more police compared to UK, however, when I looked it up, the concentration in big cities at the coast was ~3 / 1000 people. Hence I conclude that there is much less police in places of lower population density. Add to this the amount of space/distance the US offers and the increased number of police could be explained, too.

    Conclusive it can be said, that one can find other statistics to support either side of the argument. Also, a statistic on it’s own is not more worth than the paper it’s printed on. And just for the record, I am supporting the lawful ownership of guns for defense and sporting.

  • JDubya

    So was it a .357 or a .44 or is the whole story a fabrication? Your last shred of journalistic credibility just slipped away…

  • Oliver Miller

    …Seriously? That was my last shred of journalistic credibility? Wow. I must have been teetering right on the edge for long time without realizing it…

  • Donnarose Russian

    I’ll add a thought to the point made about cloistering the president, versus entertaining the public in the Oval Office.

    Elect presidents who are not Socialist asses, and we won’t have to worry so much about people wanting to shoot them – Otherwise fear of losing the crappy president you elected should be part of one’s expectation going into the ballot box.
    If I, as a regular person (just as important as Obama, if not more so, in my estimation, anyway), went around screwing people out of their hard-earned dough all day long, I’d expect that people would want to shoot me before too long. Just makes sense.

    However, there isn’t one individual on Earth who actually thought Mr. Kostric had ANY intention of harming anyone; much less, the President. Anyone who claims otherwise, is irretrievably stupid, or just lying.

    I’m not a nut, but just an average, everyday Mom-type, and EVERYTHING Mr. Kostric said made PERFECT sense to me. I understand all of his points, as well as his references and symbolism, and what they mean, and I can see that his eccentric associations are only that, and meaningless here.
    Everyone has them, if they’re interesting, at all.

    He’s still just as right, at the end of the day.

    If a bit verbose, for a subject which hardly deserves it, and, despite the fact that you’re only guessing at Mr. Kostric’s intentions and beliefs (and guessing wrong), I will say that you’re a talented and entertaining writer, (But you know that – Clearly, you’re impressed with yourself), but, as a “man”…
    Well, you’re just a big, effeminate pussy, now, aren’t you Oliver?
    That is all.

  • http://www.asdf.com Fminus

    1) You failed at being funny. Passages seeped in sarcasm require some wit on the author’s part if they are to be considered funny. You sound like an angsty 17 year old kid who just got dumped by a woman and got his lunch money stolen so he went home to rant about it upon the tear-stained pages of his blog.
    2) You failed at comprehension. He wasn’t bringing the gun to remind people of the 2nd amendment. He brought the gun for protection. He probably always brings his gun everywhere he goes. Do you need protection at a peaceful event like this? If I was surrounded by people like you, people who thought exercising rights was synonymous with infringing on the rights of others, I would say “Yes.” You’re more of a loose cannon that Mr. Kostric could ever be. At worst, he’s a quiet crazy. You’re a loud and emotional crazy that shouts and apparently flings his dung around like an angry ape.
    3) You fail at perspective. Your entire “then I do this outrageous thing because it’s my right” tirade is ridiculous. Was he waving the gun around? Was he pointing it at people? Did his sign mention guns? Crazy or sane, Mr. Kostric probably understands my favorite quotation by Oliver Wendell Homes, Jr., former US Supreme Court Justice, better than you could ever hope to: “The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins.” He’s exercising his rights in a way that is non-infringing to everyone else around him. LET IT GO, man.
    4) You fail at grammar. This entire blog was painful to read, yet read it I did. My former English professors wouldn’t have read past your second paragraph before scribbling those red words: “Sarcasm isn’t humor. Grammar needs work. Please see me after class.” Please read some books before you ever blog again. I’d recommend some history books or maybe some former presidents’ speeches.
    Conclusion:I could go on about how I don’t agree with everything Matt says but how I’d give my life to defend his right to say those things, but it’s easier to just call you stupid at this point. I could’ve received my daily injection of vitriolic conjecture from watching Bill O’Reilley, Chris Matthews, or any other spin doctor on TV rather than reading this drivel. Thanks for nothing.

  • Alfredo

    Although William Kostric’s protest was within the law, I am pretty dismayed that he seems to have no appreciation for what a public relations nightmare he has gotten himself and the causes and groups that he supports (gun owners, Ron Paul, the Free State Project, etc.) This is doubly shocking given that some news reports have said that Kostric works in sales–a job that one would think is all about the art of persuasion.

    I am not trying to smear Kostric’s character, but I think that he is an ideologue and that he has fallen into a trap that ideologues often fall into: they want to make a point in some flamboyant way. The way they intend to make their point is ideologically correct to them and any like-minded friends they might talk to. However, people outside of that clique who aren’t familiar with the ideology or reject the dogma altogether don’t interpret the acts of protest in the same way. In effect, these ideologues end up shooting themselves in the foot (pardon the pun) because they end up alienating people from the groups or causes that they were trying to promote.

    To put it more briefly, Kostric is so focused on the legality and the theory associated with gun owners’ rights that he completely misses how and why most people associate the combination of guns and Presidents with assassinations.

  • AnotherStrayCat

    It would be easier to take the supporters of this gun-wielding citizen more seriously if I wasn’t so sure of the reaction to a Liberal packing heat at a Bush Rally.
     
    Let’s imagine for a moment that a Liberal had brought a gun and provocative sign (let’s say “Kill Bush for Oil” or something) to a Town Hall for the much bally-hooed Social Security Privatization Tour 2005. Were this the case NO ONE would’ve been saying it was appropriate. Fox News (and all their minions) wouldn’t have been talking about Second Amendment Rights, they would’ve be saying that in the world today there is a very real danger the President could be shot and that he deserves special protections and considerations. And you know what, they’d be Right! And nobody on the Left would be complaining, because aside from many of us having something I like to call Intellectual Consistency, we would also agree there is a very real danger and perhaps, just perhaps, in some highly emotional circumstances everyone should just leave their guns to home.
     
    Plus, let’s not even get into Rush Limbaugh screaming, “This is just like Libruls. They can’t win on the issues so they intimidate! Now they’re bringing Guns! Which one of us will get shot by the brown shirts first!” Hell, half you people are already screaming that, and, so far as I know, the liberals aren’t packing heat. Yet. Maybe they should. According to you idiots, we’d all be safer.
     
    Anyway, even if you can’t find it in you to have concern for Obama and the very real possibility of his assassination, perhaps you could find a little concern for the poor Secret Service guy who might end up taking the bullet for him when someone finally snaps and decides to water that Liberty Tree.

  • Oliver Miller

    A quick update: I will be conducting a follow up conversation with William Kostric, and it will be published on this website, once it’s done. Obviously, it won’t be funny ha-ha like this article, but rather will be a serious conversation.

    It’ll be a semi-interview, in that Mr. Kostric will write a statement discussing… all of this, more or less, and then I’ll reply to him. So, a pseudo-interview, if you will.

    If people have any questions or general topics of discussion that they would like to have raised, please leave them here in the comment section. Thanks…

  • infojunkie

    - Randy Weaver was entrapped because of his private beliefs, which although perhaps alien to you (and not shared by me, except for the love of liberty), are still protected by the 1st amendment
    - Randy was lied to about his court date, therefore
    - Randy’s remote property was invaded by armed thugs
    - Randy and his family were shot at and several of them killed, before the Feds ever identified themselves as Law Enforcement

  • Rick Lempke

    Really Mr. Oliver… Nice attempt at a blind side and spin around. I was pointing out the “Violent Crime Rate” as a comparison. This goes waaaaaaaay back to SOC 101 when you’re determining the variables. http://www.sfu.ca/~mauser/papers/LondonTower2003/Fig2ViolCrime-EW.xls.pdf
    and
    http://wheelgun.blogspot.com/2009/07/people-refuse-to-believe-this-is-true.html
    Yep, 4X, I wonder why that is Mr. Oliver?….. Apparently the hoodlums now believe that “only the strong survive” while you wait for a Bobby…

    You missed replies on my other comments too. Like the countries that you compared to gun toting which I said were police states which you apparently are vowing for. Yes, go to Burma, they are a police state where only the government is allowed to have a gun, the others are overrun with bandits… is that what you want, the people to fear the government?

  • Rick Lempke

    Oh, and do ANY OF YOU THINK THAT IF HE WERE PLANNING TO ASSASSINATE THE PRESIDENT THAT HE WOULD BE ADVERTISING IT?

  • AnotherStrayCat

    Rick, the point (for me at least) is not that Kostric was going to shoot the President; or even that he was an evil or unreasonable man. The point is that you have a guy, a RANDOM guy at a event with a president Widely hated by certain portions of the population, bearing a sign suggesting it’s alright to kill Tyrants, and he has a GUN. Should the Secret Service come 7 days early to all events and have tea and crumpets with everyone that wants to brandish a firearm at an event with the President? They don’t know this guy, we don’t know this guy. Maybe he’s Chris from the Magnificent Seven, maybe he’s the fastest draw in Jersey. We have NO idea. So, in fairness, he should leave His Gun At Home. I must reiterate, NONE of you people would be making this argument if a Liberal had a gun at a BUSH event. You wouldn’t dream of it, because it’s stupid. All of you are only defending him, because he hates Obama. A lot of these people WANT Obama to be shot. It’s only a matter of time before people start openly admitting it. And when they do, I’m sure Fox will find some AirTime to fill about how Real Americans have had just about enough. And when someone finally Does shoot Obama, well, I guess all the sympathetic people, the Good Americans, can lobby to get his Assassin put on the $1 bill as “The Man Who Saved America.”

  • Rick Lempke

    Ok there cat,

    That’s like leaving your winter coat at home during a snow storm. His sign didn’t say it was OK to inflict any harm on anyone. Just to water the tree of liberty. Why? To watch it grow, or maybe he wants to be sure his liberties aren’t going to be in danger of which was his whole point. I wouldn’t care if libs carried guns or not, I’d actually prefer that they do. It’s no big deal to me where, the more honest citizens there are armed the more violent crime will drop.

    Speaking of that to Mr. Oliver, I just read an article that there was an “unexpected” drop in violent crime in DC… What happened with gun laws in DC this year? Look at the correlations in Louisiana and Florida with their history and gun laws too….

    I think that I’ve elaborated my case enough.

  • AnotherStrayCat

    Wow, Rick, that is such a bad analogy it took me about 5 minutes to figure out what you’re talking about. So, NOT taking a gun to a public event in broad daylight is the same as going out in a storm without a coat. Yes, exactly, how could I have missed that.

    Mr. Kostric’s sign is a specific reference to a quote which says that Blood is necessary to make the Liberty Tree grow, are you really suggesting he does not KNOW this? Generally when blood is shed it is a Bad thing for the shedder. (Psst, I think he was referring to Obama. If he was referring to someone else, please let me know. Either way, he was almost certainly referring to A) an elected official, and B) some person (or persons) who probably likes his or her blood where it is.) But Again, this is Bigger than him. You are defending this one man. Yes, he wasn’t dangerous. But do we really want to grow comfortable with this? (Again, I’m working from the position that the assassination of the President is a BAD thing, I realize others disagree.)

    And, bully for DC. I don’t know what happened in DC, haven’t looked into it, but I do recall that the Federal Government decided to negate a gun control law passed by the locals, like the Feds knew better than the people of DC how the city should be run. Seems awfully Big Government to me, but it couldn’t be, because Conservatives were all for it, right?

    Anyway, I’m glad you think everyone should be packing, it’s a ludicrous argument, as demonstrated by the disparity between the shooting casualties in England and America (which Oliver was nice enough to highlight), but at least you’re committed to it, which I appreciate.

    Anyway, thank you for actually reading my response to your post, though you didn’t quite Respond to what I was saying. Possibly my fault, but I do try to be clear.

  • http://cldobbs.org Charles Dobbs

    Guns don’t cause violence nor do they kill people. In America, we can demonstrate that private ownership of guns reduces crime, but from country to country there is no correlation between gun availability and the violent crime rate. Get the Gun Facts v5.1 pdf file here http://bit.ly/14BsfC

  • Reason

    The purpose of the 2nd amendment is a measure of last resort against an oppressive government. Every oppressive regime in the history of the world disarms it’s citizens. Hell, this when on before guns were invented. The origins of martial arts is when swords were made illegal, people responded by finding a new way to fight back. However, since the invention of the firearm is it now required for self defense. The threat of the United States government becoming oppressive is 100%. The only question is when will it because so obvious and harmful to everyone that people are willing to do something about it.

  • darkknight9

    Randy Weaver’s status as a seperatist or supremacist isn’t as important to clarify as your false “arms dealer” assumption. Randy was led into a sale of a firearm and then asked to cut it to an illegal length by an FBI agent entraping him for the sole purpose of strongarming him into being an informant for the FBI on a group that he was minimally involved with. (Discovery Times – Ruby Ridge (2000)) Folks who want to yell about eliminating other folks – you can call them “crazy people” all you’d like. I care not. But folks who want to move to the country and who want to be left alone? That’s not crazy. That’s America.

  • Wade

    Mr Miller, Let me start out by saying you disgust me. Your ignorance of the issues you write about makes you look like a fool and your enthusiastic sarcasm makes you look like a juvenile.

    Since in the beginning of your article you called Thomas Jefferson a “Good guy” I will bring up one of his quotes. You stated that you believe that the “confusion” regarding the second amendment is about how they used their commas in the eighteenth century. Let me clear that up with a comment from your “Good Guy”.

    “No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”

    – Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

    Does that clear it up for you Mr. Miller?

    Have you NOTICED all of the angry people at the town hall meetings? They are peaceably excercising their rights of assembly, protest and free speech. (Which of course was denied right before the last elections by both Democrats and Republicans with their so called “Free Speech Zones” that were fenced in with Barbed wire BLOCKS away from where the candidates were speaking)

    When the elected officials forget that they work for “We the PEOPLE” and do not represent the people and instead represent the special interests… That my friend is Tyranny. Perhaps… Just perhaps Mr Kostric is right. I’d rather stand with him than fall with you Mr. Miller.

    I would further suggest to you Mr. Miller to do something that proper journalists do. Not the ones you see on the nightly news…. RESEARCH YOUR FACTS. Better yet! Go to the Library and check out some books on American History. Check out some books on Socialism. If you read the true history you will find that his country was started as a tax revolt. (Remember the slogan “No taxation without representation”? The average American citizen who earns… let’s pick a round number and say $50K a year by time he is done paying Federal Income Tax, Social Security Tax, State Income tax, School Tax, Sales Tax, Vehicle registration (Tax), Road Tax, Telephone Federal excise tax, Telephone federal universal service fee tax, Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes, Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax, Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax,
    Telephone state and local tax, Telephone usage charge tax…. You get the point? I can list about fourty more if you want me to… That citizen who EARNED $50K with his own sweat and hands, after paying all his taxes… now has about $15K left.

    Go to the Library and learn about WHY the founding fathers founded the country in the first place and you will see that the Libertarian party has the closest set of views to what they had back then. Democrats and republicans have been taken over by the special interests LONG ago my friend.

    There’s a newer saying: “Just because someone can write an article or write a website does not make him an expert”

    You Mr Miller are the perfect example of this. I would do my homework next time before writing an article so you don’t show your ignorance so publicly again.

  • Becka

    Actually, Mr. Kostric was practicing two of his constitutional rights.
    1. Free speech (holding up a sign explaining how he feels about the country and where it’s headed)
    2. Right to keep and bear arms (and in NH, you *have* to open carry your gun, unless you choose to get a concealed carry permit)

    Also, some of the ‘interests’ Mr. Kostric posted that he is interested in also further show his belif in our constitution and it’s amendments. Remember our right to not be subjected to illegal search and seizure?

    So let’s see. A man decides to assert his first amendment right. While doing so, he also decides to assert his second amendment right (open carrying as per the law in NH). He then asks a private landowner if it’s okay for him to stand on said land while asserting said rights, and gets the okay.
    What’s the problem here?

    Becka

  • EAN

    You, sir, seem to think that our rights can be done away with because YOU don’t like them.

    And the tree of liberty does indeed need to be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, just as Thomas Jefferson said. If it didn’t, we wouldn’t have ANY gun control laws at all.

  • Oliver Miller

    Guys, guys, guys. Since we’re all talking about Thomas Jefferson, I think it’s time you knew the REAL story about him:

    Thomas Jefferson — click here for the 100% true story of his life.

  • Rick Lempke

    Cat,
    That was, as you say, “such a bad analogy it took me about 5 minutes to figure out what you’re talking about” because it’s typical of a liberal to think only of step 1 with good intentions and not be capable of thinking of the repercussions beyond it. I know, I know, it’s a little to complicated to ask a liberal to derive a meaning in such a complex analogy (though I thought it was simple). You’re initial intentions are good, “people kill people with guns. So let’s take the guns away so they wont.” But you guys don’t think of step 2. Which is, in our augment, the beginning of a fascist takeover and oppression of the people by criminals and/or government. Such as we are already seeing signs of. Your dictator friends telling us to stifle it. Filtering your meetings and your strong desire to reinstitute the “fairness doctrine” to kill “checks and balances” against your brownshirt party. Passing bills that nobody read with all hidden liberal agenda spending us upside-down telling us that they know better than us. Your Media Machine Democratic Campaign Commercial Stations are all backing it up, ect… but yeah, spin it however it makes you feel good.

    As for the tree of liberty, psst, I think he was referring to the corrupt politicians in your corrupt party and especially their supporters (aCORNholes getting 4.2 BILLION for mass voter fraud who Barry worked for). However, you’re basing it on the false premise that there was a direct physical threat… Maybe it was a general reference throw the corrupt politicians out of office through diplomatic means… the whole point I’ve repeatedly made is that there was NO DIRECT THREAT! Did you see Obama’s name on it? Didn’t think so. Does that let you know? Perhaps I’m not as smart as you and I can’t read Obama’s name on the sign. Brownshirts convict someone on an assumption, right? I r 2 dum to now beter tho!

    DC had a total handgun ban for 32 years and all but one year, crime rates grew (facts to support our point). It was overruled recently, found un-Constitutional as a matter of fact. I know your party hates freedom, liberty, sovereignty, and the Constitution so it probably doesn’t matter to you or Oliver though. Coincidentally, the violent crime rate dropped 7 %, WOW! (Yet MORE PROOF to support our point)

    As for UK vs US, dude, I’m really sorry that you and Oliver dismiss the facts that violent crime rates are 4X in the UK than here (these are called facts, liberals dismiss them when not in their favor). WHY IS THAT? Your ideology of gun laws is reflective of Chicago. OH, it works REAL well up there huh? You CANNOT get a permit there, but that stopped gun violence, right? Make more gun laws and criminals will have to follow them, right? Police just got permission to shoot at fleeing cars there because it’s so bad. How does that compare with FL?

    But yes, Cat, I got your initial point which is what Mr. Kostric’s sign was protesting. That you guys want to arrest, detain, and remove the rights of US citizens based on your own assumptions for even disagreeing with your party. Back to our point, no thanks Mr. Dictator!

  • Rick Lempke
  • Rick Lempke

    Here’s a good one, “All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.”

    I know my boss is reading my posts and laughing his ass off, but I cant wait for someone to say something really stupid that will set him off and hear what he has to say.

    I’ll stand by what I say, I’m using my real name.

    I get the opportunity to speak with police all over the US, all the time. Funny how they don’t want a police state. I recently spoke with one in Florida who said, “We do a better job at cleaning up the mess and paperwork than protecting people.”

  • Rick Lempke
  • Dado

    The piece, although in the category of “been done” does expose the fact that there are those that should not have guns. The author’s admitting that he became priapic holding his friend’s “magnum” is all the information we need.

    It’s always there somewhere in the anti-gun tirades that the gun nut is, at heart, a sexual pervert. Somehow I think the author now knows why he stays away from them and pretends that he “hates” them. Freud would be very curious here.

  • http://drieuxster.livejournal.com/1424070.html drieux

    Because in these dangerous times, it is IMPORTANT to keep your crazy people in their appropriate understanding of who is on which SIDE!!!

    Continue to Fight for the Continued Repeal of the 21st Ammendment or the DeathPanels, and their Socialism, will deprive us of our God Given Original Intent Founding Fathers way of True Constitutionalism!

  • Wade

    Mr Miller…. It’s ok. You can admit you were wrong. Really. It’s ok.

  • Mason Lerner

    I grew up in Texas. Guns are laws or so liberal (anyone else see the irony in that word?)that I wouldn’t be surprised if I was making myself a bowl of Lucky Charms and a Desert Eagle fell into my bowl as the toy surprise. I am not going to look up links as to how guns affect crime. I know what I have seen. It is very easy to get a concealed hand gun license here. It has not had any impact on crime. In fact, there was a spike in homicides in Houston about three years ago. Why am I not going to provide links? Because I know what I have seen. I have personally seen someone get shot, had someone murdered by a gun right behind my house as a teen and as a teenager ducking under cars at a keg party to avoid bullets was not that uncommon. I knew several people who got shot growing up (Tip your 40′s for Frog, please). There are a lot of solutions to lowering crime. Guns are not one of them. That is a simple-minded approach.
    And as for what Kostric did being legal: duh. So what? Legal does not equal moral, logical or necessary. He really just made himself look like a paranoid jackass.
    I am not against the right to bear arms. I think the genie is out of the bottle in that regard. But I do think it is silly that people think they need to be able to buy AR-15′s and the like. And the “protection from government” angle is bogus. Iraq had a gun in every home, but that did not deter Sadaam. No matter how big your guns are, the government’s will be bigger. In fact, a nice firm Branch Davidian-style weapons cache really just makes it that much easier for the feds to unleash the dogs of war on you, wipe their hands and call it a day.
    I own a pistol myself. But even though I embrace my right to own it, I would never wear it on my hip if I disagreed with a politician. Because a gun should be used for protection. Not a political statement. A gun should only comes out when it’s business time, and my greatest hope is that business stays slow.For the slow-witted out there, by “business time”, I mean if my home is invaded or something like that. I don’t shoot stuff for a living. Although I hear wild pig killing is a lucrative side gig.

  • Beth Boyle Machlan

    Interesting how Mr. Miller’s right to free speech is less important to you folks than Mr. Kostric’s. And how Mr. Kostric himself has agreed to an interview with Mr. Miller, which to me at least means he thinks they have something valid to discuss. So why don’t you all hold off on the vitriol until the two speakers in question actually speak to each other? Sounds like your hero is behaving a lot more civilly than you are. Maybe you could use him as an example of something other than how to carry a gun?

  • Oliver Miller

    MURDERS WITH FIREARMS (in the past year)

    U.S. – 9,369

    England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales – 14

    ***

    U.S. population – 300 million.

    U.K. population – 60 million.

    So we have five times as many people, and 670 times as many murders from gun violence. Weird. …If only I could put my finger on the reason.

    (And that statistic doesn’t even includes accidental deaths, suicide, non-fatal injuries…)

    U.S. accidental gun deaths – 824 last year.

    U.K.: 0

    ***

    And we have way more police on the streets than they do in England, so technically speaking, we should be much safer.

    So, hypothetical, we adopt a Constitutional amendment and put English gun laws into effect, starting tomorrow.

    Next year, 5 x 14 = approximately 70 gun-related murders in the U.S.

    That’s 9,299 less murders than this year.

    I kind of like those odds.

    ***

    Last one, I promise.

    70 gun-murders out of 300,000,000 people would put your chances of being murdered by a criminal at:

    2.33333333 × 10-7

    2.3 times ten to the negative seventh.

    That means you would have a 0.00000023% chance of being killed by a criminal with a gun, per year.

    Sounds pretty safe to me.

    I agree that you have a Constitutional right to have a gun, but currently what that right is doing is making it 135 times more likely that someone will murder you.

    Feel free to discuss.

    And yeah, I agree with Mason. If Obama (or Bush, or whoever) decides to suddenly become an evil dictator, then us with our guns isn’t going to stop him. If the President suddenly randomly turns evil, and attacks with the army, then it’s game over. Sorry, but that’s just the way it is.

  • Oliver Miller

    …And just to add on to that, your chance of being struck by lightening is 1.76 x 10-6.

    That’s 0.00000176%

    So under my plan, you’d have a better chance of being struck by lightening than you would of being shot by a criminal. Ahem. …I’m just sayin’, that sounds pretty okay to me. I like those odds.

  • Oliver Miller

    Random fun fact from Wikipedia:

    Wyoming, despite having a population density of a little over 2 people per square kilometer and one of the lowest rates of gun violence in the U.S., nevertheless has a higher rate of gun violence than England and Wales, where the population densities are 383 and 142 people per square kilometer, respectively.

    Great. …That’s just… great. Way to keep us safer, 2nd Amendment!

  • AnotherStrayCat

    Wow, Rick. I don’t even know where to begin, but obviously there is no point. Once I see the words “fairness doctorine” and “ACORN” I know you are not a person who can be swayed, so why bother. Though I do enjoy your stabs at stringing thoughts together.

    I will say, I do not recall EVER saying that guns should be taken away or that you shouldn’t own one or anything. If the brownshirts ever come for me (I’m assuming they’ll be Republican when it does happen) I hope I’m armed.

    However, I do question a man who brings a weapon and a highly provacative sign to a town hall with the GodDamn President. That’s the problem here. I would’ve disagreed if it was Bush, I would’ve disagreed if it was McCain. This is not about politics or your delusions that Obama is coming to bust down your door. This is about common sense rules for brandishing firearms in public. What, do you get all pissy when they make you go through a metal detector at the airport or a ballgame?

    Oh, and Dude, I love the post about your boss showing all of us idiots what’s up. Oh Noes! Does he command the same mastery of logic and reason you display?

  • http://None Chris

    Oliver, In case you didn’t know packing heat is a 2nd amendment right and regardless of what the law says, the constitution says we can carry any place, any time. And if it weren’t for the fact we wanted to disarm blacks we wouldn’t even have restrictive gun laws. So if you are anti gun you are for disarming blacks which is racist.

  • Rick Lempke

    If you clowns like the ways of the Eurotrash, wouldn’t it be easier for you to move there and leave the Constitution that you all hate so much alone? Seriously. If you all don’t mind getting beaten up by hoodlums, then move there?
    All of your talking points have been baseless. Like straycat for example. He has provided no substance in his argument except insults. So I make a valid argument back and insult back and the claws come out, that’s it. It’s pointless to respond to such stupidity. Yeah, I know the dumb word comes out. And that’s what this is all about. You guys think that you’re all collegy smartypantses and that you all know better than us and therefore it’s your god given right to rule us, well kings and queens we ARE prepared to fight for our liberties when they’re under threat.

    And nice defense against aCORNholes and the fairness doctrine. YOU HAVE none. You are all the same little whiney bitches that were crying about the 100 million dollar contracts with oil buddies. Now we call you out on an agency who DID commit voter fraud and the DID get BILLIONS for it and that’s all you have to say there kitty cat, “Once I see the words “fairness doctorine” and “ACORN” I know you are not a person who can be swayed, so why bother.”??? That’s it? So We’re really supposed to fall to your dictator? You just have proven all of our points to be correct. Shut up and let us tell you what to do because we’re smarter. You really are pathetic.

    I’m not telling anyone here to shut up. Speak away, I just ask you all to be civilized and speak the WHOLE truth. Remember Hegel, “only the whole is the true”… I know it means nothing to the media machines that you all listen to and obey.
    Another STUPID………….ASS………..COMMENT
    “(I’m assuming they’ll be Republican when it does happen) I hope I’m armed.” Have you ready anything about whats going on with aCORNholes (Baraks of buddies) with them controlling the census, and training parents of young children, and them being an armed militia? Sorry tard the PROOF points the other way. Nice attempts at an insult though.

    And since were on to Jefferson, who did he say was Liberties biggest enemies? Banks and single party government. WOW, your party has corrupted both!

    Now, again, instead of arguing logic, call me names in another bogus attempt to distract from the message.
    Oliver, your pic looks like Seth Green, had to get that out there.

    I’m really sorry you all just don’t get our point here. And it’s not restricted to the “birthers” and “freestaters”, un-tuck you heads and look around. MOST people are already sick of this shit! I don’t have a political affiliation, the closest I can say is “old fashioned liberal”. How’s that?
    Good night all and thanks for provoking thought.

  • Oliver Miller

    I look like Seth Green in real life too, funnily enough. Although I’m much taller. But Rick, I’m going to ignore you and move on to Chris, if that’s okay:

    And so — Chris, congrats. You have beaten out stiff competition to receive the title of… Worst Comment on This Article.

  • Rick Lempke

    Alright Oliver, take care, good night.

  • Rick Lempke

    People of Berlin – people of the world – this is our moment. This is our time.
    Barack Obama

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  • Oliver Miller

    …Am I supposed to find that Obama quote to be menacing or something? Should I be hearing scary music playing in my head as I read it?

  • Rick Lempke

    When you consider his involvement in ACORN, the amount of money he channeled to them through the stimulus, the amount of power he’s also attempting to get them with the health care, IIIIIIIIII find it a little creepy. At least a bit more than G W Slingblade ever said or done.
    CCW
    As per your artile Oliver. I don’t know is your state has a CCW permit, but you should try it. It gives you the sensation of great power equals great responsibility. I was just out with my family today, armed and none of them even knew it but I feel good knowing that they are safe. Sure, on shooting practice day I feel a little destructive but it’s WAY different from concealed carry. Like that video of Mr. Kostric being assaulted by the brownshirts how he maintains his cool…
    Seriously, give it a try if you can.
    Rick

  • AnotherStrayCat

    Rick, you are such a low-rent fear-monger that it’s really quite amusing. Keep watching Glenn Beck for those talking points, buddy. But, if you want Fox to give you you’re own show you’re gonna have to come up with at least Something original. Or go to a Town Hall and make an ass of yourself.

    Also, if you really want to be considered an “Old School Liberal” you should really quit talking like a New School Republican. It confuses people.

    Watch out for those Black Helicopters! Oh, wait that was Clinton. Watch out for the ACORN Army!

  • Bill

    In your biased little rant up there, you make it sound like Mr Kostric thinks we should excercise all of our rights all of the time. That would obviously be ridiculous.

    By bringing a gun to the event, he was excercising a right that he thinks is being threatened. That makes complete sense. When he says that we should excercise our rights or else we’ll lose them, he obviously didn’t mean ALL of them.

    Anyway, you completely missed the point of what he was saying.

  • Rick Lempke

    Straycatpussypants, you really do a great job of repeatedly proving just how fucked up in the head you really are. You’ve done nothing to debunk what I’ve said, just name call and try to link me to a republican which I’m very far from just have some overlapping values. I’ve made valid points about guns, bills, legislation, statistics, and politics and all you do is make a stupid comment like, “watch out for helecopters.” Look up what a traditional liberal is, that’s almost what I am. You’re too simple and predictable. “Oh, you listen to Beck and Fox you, you, neocon” – whew, ya got in a corner there… Try actually being different from your puppetmasters and reading up on your bills and then you’ll have a little clue what I’m talking about. At least I listen to ALL media, not like you and the rest of your sheeple. You guys are followers. You can’t depend on yourself to make decisions, you are fighting for the government to make them for you,…defendant, or as I’d like to say, incompetent. Hiding behind your call name on the net saying things that you’d never say to another person. At least “Holy Seth Green lookalike” has the dignity to speak to people he disagrees with in a humane, respectable manner. I don’t have anymore explaining to do to you, a no-name. Go troll somewhere else!

  • AnotherStrayCat

    Rick, I’m not Trying to debunk you. Your ‘arguments’ are all over the place. Your entire premise hinges on your belief that you think Obama is a tyrant that will take away your right to own guns. I do NOT think this is the case, and since he has A) essentially said nothing to support the idea that he will rescind the 2nd Amendment, and B) you will clearly not listen to anything to the contrary; there is No Way I can argue with you.

    You see, your arguments are based on Belief, whereas mine are based on, well, opposing beliefs, but I like to think a little bit of fact, too. Just as you think you have facts on your side. (You don’t, but I appreciate your position.)

    However, I think I have a solution. You have stated you are not a birther. So, since all Americans are able to wield guns whenever and wherever they choose, I think the problem here is the way Obama is conducting his Town Halls. He is very foolishly going to these things unarmed (excluding the Secret Service who can’t be Everywhere at Once, am I right?). So, rather than from a podium, he should exercise his 2nd Amendment rights, that he has as an American, and conduct any public appearances from a gun turret. I’m sure there will be no objections. He will be behind a bit of bullet proof glass and can turn his instrument of death on anyone who poses a threat. He’ll probably focus his aim on anyone that has a carry permit, but that’s only fair right? I mean, a patriot with a gun is a bit more of a threat than a brownshirt who’s unarmed, right?

    Since you believe in the gun rights of All Americans, I’m sure you will agree. Unless you are a Birther, which I’m sure you’re not, because you are a reasonable American.

  • Rick Lempke

    I can admit I agree.

    I’m off to the safe no-gun Milwaukee! Yay!

  • Angela

    “But honestly, I have always loved the gun-nut assertion that the world would be a much better and less violent place if only everyone was fully armed all the time. It’s a great argument — because not only is it based on an approximately 0% understanding of human nature, but it also gives me the excuse to post a link to this cartoon, which I love.”

    Wow. Just wow.

    Every single tyrant that has successfully slaughtered the citizens en masse disarmed them first, and yet we’re the sorry lot that doesn’t understand human nature?

    Speaking of nature, the Japanese decided against a land invasion specifically because there would be an armed American “behind every blade of grass.

    Wow. Just wow.

  • jbaud

    Just a quick question: is it legal to carry unconcealed weapon in a bank in Arizona and New Hampshire since it is perfectly legal to take them to a political event even with the President in attendance. It seems like a recipe for tragedy to me but then again, what do I know.

  • jbaud

    Wouldn’t it also be a good idea to allow people to take unconcealed weapons in the Supreme Court and Congress? If it is legal to do so at a Presidential events, it only makes since that people can do so at the Supreme Court, Congress and the White House. Now, that would be demonstration a clear commitment to the 2nd Amendment (or I would argue insanity).

  • Rick Lempke

    The question is, where do you cut off restrictions. It is SUPPOSED to be “shall not be infringed” which we’ve already done. Do you think that the mayor of Milwaukee would have taken the hit to the head if he’d been packing in the 2nd worst friendly state to guns? I have to say that if I were carrying around the president and someone was trying to assassinate him, I’d put 2 in his chest and one in his head. Yes, even if they were attempting it on Obummer.
    So far as Barry saying he’s gun friendly, he can say all he wants but look at the laws in IL. Does the “Castle Law” exist in his hometown? You’ll go to jail if you try to protect your family there, same in WI. His voting record on the 2nd amendment is 100% against it. I say again, his voting record IS 100% against guns. Actions do speak louder than words.

    And Oliver. If we were to consider all of your statistics, you’d have to maybe knock down some of those deaths by guns a little because ONLY law abiding citizens would give them up. Also you’d have to multiply the rest of the violent crime by 4X for it to be more respective of the UK system if you want to assume the outcome. The deaths caused by guns aren’t often caused by those doing so legally.
    I don’t have anything against a system like MN’s CCW where you have to qualify, I must say. My state doesn’t have it, but I practice and am a better shot, by far, than MOST police officers out there and I know better than to just draw under any threat. I NEVER have, even being threaten with death before, and I hope I never will.
    As Kostric said, If you don’t practice your rights, you might as well give them up.

    “All evil needs to succeed, is for good men to do nothing” – Edmond Burke

  • darron

    Don’t you think given the history of black people being oppressed,of police being indifferent, that they of all americans, should embrace the 2nd amendement? According to Socrates, the definition of a slave was someone who was not allowed to bear arms. Blacks opposed to the 2nd amendement are like slaves trying to curry favor with master. This man is thinking clearly, and is aware of his rights. Are you?

  • JDubya

    Oliver, what do you make of this: http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090612/ARTICLE/906121036

    How would you have acted in this situation? The getting on the knees part I can imagine. But for the rest of us who DIDN’T spend high school locked in our locker we’d have sided with Mr. Firby.

  • Cheeken

    So, it would seem that the 8.18.09 Daily Show w/ Jon Stewart read this article, as well, because they had uncannily similar things to say about it. You should watch it.

  • Oliver Miller

    Jon Stewart is so getting sued right now! No, I kid. I haven’t seen the episode. But I will check it out.

    The sad thing about this job is that I actually try to avoid watching “The Daily Show,” because I’m afraid that I will end up stealing their jokes.

    And a quick note to people still leaving comments on the article. Leave comments on my new interview with Mr. Kostric instead! Because this comment section is now five pages long and is impossible to read!

    Here’s the link to the new article: The William Kostric Interview

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