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What’s an MFA Got to Do with It? A Response to Elif Batuman

In Search of Real Degrees

The MFA debate seems to spring up, like a hyperactive phoenix, every five months or so. The same arguments are rehashed and almost always MFA students are told that they should have done something “real” like work on an oil rig, travel, get out in the world, become a doctor and write on the side like Chekov—in short live life. (As if taking a handful of classes for two years prevents one from doing anything else in life.) Real writers, we are told, are not forged in the cold halls of academia.

So I was a bit taken aback to see Elif Batuman argue, in her essay “Get a Real Degree,” that aspiring writers should spend even more years in academia getting a PhD.

tpeb 200x300 What’s an MFA Got to Do with It? A Response to Elif Batuman Elif Batuman is a very interesting and talented writer who published a fascinating memoir/essay collection earlier this year titled The Possessed: Adventures with Russian Books and the People Who Read Them. That she is a talented writer makes it disappointing to see her drop into another rehashing of MFA complaints.

Batuman has talked many times about her decision to get a PhD in literature over an MFA in fiction as if this was some dichotomy. But one doesn’t get a PhD in literature in order to become a fiction writer. It seems like saying that instead of going to art school you should study art history or instead of buying a fender guitar you should start a record review blog. Studying and critiquing an art form isn’t the same as practicing it. The stance is odd from the start since so many MFA students go on to get PhDs anyway.

The Death of the Art

Batuman does have some interesting things to say in her essay, ostensibly a review of The Programme Era: Postwar Fiction and the Rise of Creative Writing by Mark McGurl. The middle in particular has a meaty discussion of the state of writing and even of mainstream white culture in general. Her essay is well worth reading for these middle segments that talk about the role of shame in modern writing and the dangers of feeling that privileged people don’t have stories to tell. (She could have spent more time talking about the flip side for non-white writers: the way it makes it hard to simply be a writer who is of an ethnicity, you must be a writer who writes about that ethnicity. An issue that Percival Everett has explored expertly in his novels.)

The law of ‘find your voice’ and ‘write what you know’ originates in a phenomenon perhaps most clearly documented by the blog and book Stuff White People Like: the loss of cultural capital associated with whiteness, and the attempts of White People to compensate for this loss by displaying knowledge of non-white cultures. Hence Stuff White People Like #20, ‘Being an Expert on Your Culture’, and #116, ‘Black Music that Black People Don’t Listen to Anymore’. Non-white, non-college-educated or non-middle or upper-class people may write what they know, but White People have to find the voice of a Vietnamese woman impregnated by a member of the American army that killed her only true love.

I think Batuman could go a little further. You can certainly write what you know if you are white and college educated, but you probably need to have had a horrible drug addiction, have enforced poverty on yourself as a literary experiment or in some other way be involved in the “wound culture” (as McGurl phrases it). This is all interesting stuff to discuss, but what does it actually have to do with MFA programs?

As my colleague Adam Wilson points out, markets and publishers drive publishing trends more than MFA programs and the issues Batuman describes are just as common in non-MFA fiction. Stuff White People Like, which Batuman references several times, isn’t about MFA students. It is a parody of a broad segment of middle to upper class mostly urban white liberals. This is a question of the culture at large (or rather a large part of it). Doesn’t Oprah have more to do with “wound culture” than Iowa? Doesn’t Hollywood hold more sway than John Hopkins?

Even if we are going to narrow the discussion to publishing, isn’t the memoir industry a better example of this “wound culture” in action? And yet Batuman declares that “many of the best journalistic and memoiristic essays in the world today are being written in America.” (Who is producing the best fiction, if indeed any modern fiction excites Batuman, is left unsaid.) But not only does her critique apply even better to American non-fiction, but the influence of non-fiction MFA programs has never been stronger. Shouldn’t American non-fiction be getting worse if the MFA is such a

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This is basically my issue about her entire essay. Even when I agree with her on a specific point, I’m unclear how “program fiction” is the culprit. Almost all of her points seem to apply to either all fiction, all modern literature or American culture in general. The MFA’s influence seems vastly overstated.

The Tradition and the Fury

The center of Batuman’s argument seems to be that MFA writers have no sense of literary tradition and hide all their influences, acting as if they’d never read any other books. This is almost the inverse of the normal complaint, that MFA writers are too obsessed with their influences, merely cranking out obvious imitations of Carveresque minimalism, Pynchonian post-modernism or whatever trend is hot at the moment.

This commitment, this sense of writing being produced in a knowledge vacuum, is what turned me off the programme to begin with. Contemporary fiction seldom refers to any of the literary developments of the past 20, 50 or a hundred years. It rarely refers to other books at all.

And later:

Why can’t the programme be better than it is? Why can’t it teach writers about history and the world, and not just about adverbs and themselves? Why can’t it at least try?

Batuman rhetorically needs to reduce the various MFA programs to a single monolithic caricature, but it is hard not to get the feeling that she didn’t bother to talk to people who’ve actually been to one. MFA programs almost certainly focus more on contemporary literature, but to cite my own experience at Columbia we hardly focused only adverbs or ignored literary traditions. I studied Edmund Wilson, Robert Burton, Virginia Woolf, Saul Bellow, Isaac Babel, Dostoevsky and countless others in my various seminars and lectures. Most MFA programs also allow you—and sometimes force you—to take classes in the literature departments.

The question of literary lineage and the benefits of writing in or referring to traditions and influences is an interesting one. I would have liked to see Batuman make an argument for why it is essential because I’m not sure it is self-evident. As Andrew Seal says:

What really bugs me about this comment is that, despite her distaste for the literature of “developing nations,” she holds up Don Quixote as a great beacon of literature when, if there is any single work of literature which justifies a belief that an extraordinarily talented writer can invent a new fully-fleshed form almost ex nihilo, it is Cervantes’s novel.

What bugged me more is that Batuman takes the easy way out by simply disparaging seemingly all modern fiction, or at least all modern American fiction, without doing the work to contrast it with someone else. It is much easier to wave away everything than take a positive stake and defend something.

The MFA is a Lonely Job Hunter

The most bizarre aspect of the standard anti-MFA tirade—and Batuman seems to fall into this—is that it wants to paint the MFA experience as simultaneously pointless and almost impossibly profound. Let’s be clear here: in most MFA programs you take one workshop a semester and another class on craft (my program at Columbia is an exception where we took many more classes.) You probably turn in three stories a semester to your workshop. After four workshops and four classes you write a thesis and graduate. Are we really supposed to believe that a mere eight classes over two to three years is going to radically change everyone’s writing for the rest of their lives? That these two years deprive a writer of the world’s literature, of living a real life, and of ever having a unique literary idea?

Part of this is the idea that MFA writers write in some unique way that is different than literary writers without MFAs. The supposed differences are never really elaborated upon. It is far easy to say that all MFA writers are clones than to explain how Denis Johnson writes just like David Foster Wallace, how George Saunders writes just like Rivka Galchen, or how Nam Lee is really a clone of Ben Marcus. I’ve worked for many literary magazines and read countless submissions from aspiring writers, MFA and non-MFA alike, and I have, of course, also read many books from writers of all stripes. My contention is this: MFA writers and non-MFA writers write pretty much the same.

Sure, MFA students on average may have more polished work, but the types of stories and the styles of telling them are more or less the same. And why not? Writers are likely reading the same writers, buying the same magazines and responding to the same publishing trends. If Raymond Carver or Lydia Davis or George Saunders are being aped in workshops, they are probably being aped by aspiring writers outside of workshops.

Batuman would likely say that this is because the MFA programs are influencing even non-MFA writers. She may well be right. But again, we need to consider the markets and publishing houses in any discussion of modern literary trends.

I do like what Batuman has to say about the overemphasis on “technique” and the way so much modern fiction is competent but boring:

In technical terms, pretty much any MFA graduate leaves Stendhal in the dust. On the other hand, The Red and the Black is a book I actually want to read. This reflects, I believe, the counterintuitive but real disjuncture between good writing and good books.

I think reviewers, editors and writers (both MFA and non) focus too much on technical competence and not enough on what actually makes literature exciting. When we look at the greatest writers in history, it is often their flaws and eccentricities that make them so exciting and original. A story like Kafka’s “The Judgment” might violate a dozen workshop mantras, but there are few stories as powerful as it in Western literature.

And yet, does an MFA program truly crush out a writer’s eccentricities? I find it hard to think an original writer—see again David Foster Wallace and company—will really allow themselves to be dulled down in this way. By the end of the essay, even Batuman doesn’t seem to think so:

As for literature, it will be neither made nor broken by the programme, which is doubtless as incapable of ruining a good writer as of transforming a bad one.

If the MFA system is not ruining the good writers, then what exactly is the problem? Merely that there is more competent but boring fiction in the world, likely languishing in small-circulation literary magazines? This seems a silly thing to complain about. The fact that most literature produced in an era is mediocre has been true for as long as books have been published. Indeed, it is true of every art form in every era since the dawn of art.

Addendum

I’m not sure if I come off as a big advocate for MFA programs. I don’t think I am. I had a great time at my MFA program, read a lot of interesting books, made a lot of friends and learned some things that will hopefully help me down the road. It was worth it for me. But I don’t think an MFA is by any means necessary nor do I think it radically changes you. It is simply a dedicated set of time to try and do this thing you want to do.

I once heard George Saunders, who holds an MA in fiction writing and heads the Syracuse MFA program, describe a good MFA program as a frozen pond in the middle of the woods. The writer is a on a journey through the forest and it is slow going because he has ice skates strapped to his feet. But when he hits the pond he gets a relief and cuts some time out of his journey. The writer gets to his destination quicker, but his direction doesn’t change. The MFA program helps a writer master the same skills he might well learn on his own, but in a shorter time.

I think that sounds about right.

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Lincoln Michel keeps a personal blog at lincolnmichel.com and tweets @TheLincoln. His work appears or is forthcoming in Tin House, Oxford ...

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  • Nina

    This is great. It’s everything I kept wanting to yell while reading Batuman’s piece, but clearly and rationally stated.

  • EyeEye

    Great piece. That frozen pond analogy is wonderful. Just when I thought I couldn’t love Saunders more than I already do…

  • kate

    So, an MFA may be a slightly shorter/more direct path to master writing skills and ultimately not necessary, but does it help a writer get published? Does it give you any traction with editors when submitting to journals to have studied in certain programs, or can good writing stand on its own without names and degrees attached?

  • Aaron

    Really strong response. I found myself in agreement with much of Batuman’s piece but your response highlights a puzzling aspect of her article– the “MFA” angle is a bit of a red herring and the real criticism is aimed at the state of modern American fiction in general. She makes some really cogent points about the norms that constrict modern American writers but why MFA programs should be singled out for particular disapprobation is kind of a mystery.

    But what about the self-perpetuating aspects of MFA programs? If everyone in the fiction teaching, publishing and writing industries are MFA grads or instructors, and they are all recommending each other’s novels and sharing agents, does it create a kind of union that may shut out non-MFA writers? Would Kerouac have a harder time today because Lan Chang wouldn’t be inclined to write a blurb for him? I’m not worried about commercially popular fiction– just the adult highbrow literature segment that the MFA Program has colonized. What about socially marginal writers who can’t or won’t make it in an MFA environment? The act of completing an MFA degree demonstrates a certain level of conformity that precludes Bukowski, Kerouac and similar “poète maudit” types.

  • http://lincolnmm.blogspot.com/ Lincoln Michel

    Hi kate:

    Thanks for your response. I honestly don’t believe merely having an MFA helps you get published. I suppose it is possible that going to Iowa or one or two other top programs may perk certain editors eyes, but no editor I know cares about MFA degree. To be totally blunt, there are simply far too many MFA programs and MFA students out there to make having an MFA special.

    So directly I don’t think it has any effect. However, going to an MFA program does give you access to professors and fellow students who may help you out later on. They may suggest you to editors or write you recommendations or ask you to submit to their magazines. That kind of thing exists, although its influence is often overstated. Of course, that will only happen if your writing is really strong.

  • http://lincolnmm.blogspot.com/ Lincoln Michel

    Hi Aaron,

    Thanks! And fair questions. That’s certainly another aspect to this that neither I nor Batuman really covered. With the caveat that I know much less about the book publishing/agent world than the literary magazine world, I don’t really see much evidence of any kind of MFA union. I edit a magazine called Gigantic and I really have no idea what writers that we have published have MFAs or don’t. After you’ve graduated, beyond the friends you made at your specific program, the MFA degree doesn’t provide you with any connections. I also don’t think the literary world is by any means entirely composed of MFA students. Just thinking of fellow lit mag editors I know in New York, I would suspect about half don’t have MFAs.

    Does a socially awkward or marginalized writer have a harder time navigating the literary world? My guess is yes, but my guess is that has always been true, MFA programs or no. Right? In fact, in the modern digital age it is probably far easier to navigate than any other time in history. There are far more venues for publication, the literary world is less concentrated in a few cities, and it is easier to build a presence online without connections than I suspect it would have been in the past.

  • Aaron

    Thanks for the response! I think my question overlapped with Kate’s a little bit, so I appreciate your thoughtful responses to both.

    I guess my comment reflects a twinge of boredom with American fiction. Yeah, I like Franzen and Freedom is cool, but where is the sensational rebel Kerouac-type with literary movement implications or the experimental, brooding Faulkner figure, sui generis and turning his back on academia? Maybe this is just a cultural problem– the Kerouacs and Faulkners are out there but the ruthless commercialism of modern media isn’t going to provide the platform.

  • http://lincolnmm.blogspot.com/ Lincoln Michel

    Hey Aaron,

    My suspicion is the lack of huge literary rebels in our culture is almost entirely a result of literature’s loss of status in the cultural sphere. There simply are far more things competing for everyone’s attention and the culture as a whole is increasingly fragmented. Could there ever be a band as big as The Beatles today? I doubt MFAs have much to do with it. Maybe a few decades ago Junot Diaz would be a staple of the talk show circuit and a new George Saunders book would get as much coverage as the newest Hollywood blockbuster, but sadly things just aren’t like that anymore.

    I do personally think there is a wealth of fantastic fiction being produced (Cormac McCarthy, Lydia Davis, the late David Foster Wallace, Marilynne Robinson, Brian Evenson, and so on) so I think it is really just a cultural question. At the same time, the internet alongside the further fragmentation of the culture may provide a new space for literature to increase in status. Guess we will have to wait and see.

  • Kuhlio

    I edit poetry and fiction for a small press and have not noticed any significant differences among writers with MFAs, PhDs, MAs, or no writerly degrees at all. I strongly contest the notion that a PhD gives a writer the edge Ms. Batumin’s essay suggests it might (in fact, writers who proudly announce their advanced degrees in cover letters often mightily disappoint me with writing that’s pedantic), but I enjoyed her essay quite a bit otherwise, and this one as well.

  • http://stupidhumantricks.wordpress.com Cate

    The whole pro/anti MFA “debate” makes me a little crazy. It seems for a lot of writers not having an MFA is a badge of honor – “look how great I am all by myself!” – so on the flip side writers who do get their MFAs are spoiled, entitled hacks somehow. While I was working on my MFA I even had a non-MFA’d professor try to tell me the degree was a waste of time (uh, thanks, buddy…meanwhile my waste of time is paying your salary?).

    If my path to becoming a better writer involves a few years of school and yours doesn’t, so what? It’s not like there’s a set number of “writer” spots open in the universe and my MFA means you don’t get one. What is the big freaking deal?

  • http://www.benomara.com Ben O’Mara

    Great article. It’s useful to hear the experiences of writers with programs in the US. Loved the pond image.

    I think there are similarities to the situation in Australia. There is ongoing debate concerning the role and importance of creative writing degrees for both writers and institutions. My study in creative writing was quite positive – it was a great platform to learn and write. I was like many other writing students in that I coupled literature units with my creative writing study, although most creative writing units were heavy with literary works from a range of periods. The course also helped me to achieve publication through a combination of workshopping, craft and theory.

    After university, however, I did find it was necessary to exclude my creative writing credentials from both my submissions to publishers and applications for most kinds of employment.

    The literary journal Meanjin recently published one of my stories about writing, rejection and uncertainty and may be of interest:

    ‘This is Not a Hobby’
    http://meanjin.com.au/editions/volume-69-number-2-2010/article/this-is-not-a-hobby/

    Overland, another great Aussie journal, has a different perspective on creative writing courses, and looks at its relationship to the commodification of universities:

    http://web.overland.org.au/previous-issues/issue-200/feature-rjurik-davidson/

  • Anelise

    Hey Lincoln, this is really funny and great and I particularly love this:
    “Part of this is the idea that MFA writers write in some unique way that is different than literary writers without MFAs. The supposed differences are never really elaborated upon. It is far easy to say that all MFA writers are clones than to explain how Denis Johnson writes just like David Foster Wallace, how George Saunders writes just like Rivka Galchen, or how Nam Lee is really a clone of Ben Marcus. I’ve worked for many literary magazines and read countless submissions from aspiring writers, MFA and non-MFA alike, and I have, of course, also read many books from writers of all stripes. My contention is this: MFA writers and non-MFA writers write pretty much the same.”

  • http://www.sheilarlamb.com/ Sheila

    Great response to Batuman. When I first started reading the review, I wasn’t sure why the comparison between MFA/PhD was being made. Apples and oranges. Two fields of study for different purposes. As I wrote on my blog post (http://www.sheilarlamb.com) I don’t expect miracles to come out of an MFA program, but I will have the time to learn, to write, and to improve.

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