Dear Suzy Lee Weiss, I Took Your Spot At Harvard

harvard_logo-web-300x290Dear Suzy,

You probably don’t know who I am but after reading your op-ed in the Wall Street Journal about not getting into any of the Ivy League schools you applied to, I felt I had to reach out. You see, I’m the girl who took your spot at Harvard.

I know this with absolute certainty. On my acceptance letter from Harvard, your name had been crossed out and mine had been written above it.

I know this must be really upsetting for you. You worked really hard for four years. You took all of the AP classes your high school offered. Your parents paid for expensive SAT prep courses and you did really well on the test. You did all kinds of volunteer work even though you had hours of TV unwatched on your DVR. Basically, you earned this.

I mean, don’t get me wrong. I did some work, too. I went to class and paid attention when the lesson wasn’t disrupted by a fight in the hallway. My textbooks might still reflect a Cold War world but not needing to know the names of all the Soviet republics made it much easier to study for global studies exams. Much less to memorize that way. That’s probably the only reason I managed an “A” in that course.

But when my parents got divorced and my mom came out of the closet and hooked up with the ¼ Navajo lady neighbor, I closed my textbooks and put down my pen. I figured—why bother? I’m a black female from the inner city with divorced parents, a gay mother, and a part-Native American stepmother. Every college was going to recruit me like I had a great jump shot.

Not only did Harvard accept me and shower me with financial aid, they put my photo on the cover of all of their recruiting materials. You were totally right—being a minority in 21st Century America only has upside!

It must be really tough to learn that you didn’t get what you totally deserved, but I’m sure you’ll do well at a state school. And I’m certain your parents will be able to find it in their hearts to love a daughter without an Ivy League pedigree.

As for me—I’m set for life. Obama is president, racism has ended, and law schools have already come a-callin.

Best to you in life,

Aaliyah Martin


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  • siditty

    Best thing EVER

  • marc black.


  • stay_in_school

    You win the internet today.

  • Think Tank

    This was hilarious. Nice job.

  • LarikSonfar

    EPIC truth

  • Wh*te C*nt

    Well good luck in all those classes you’re ill prepared for. Colleges have a requirement for a reason.

    • Guest

      You’re dumb.

    • backyardbbq

      who says she wasn’t prepared? she sounds smart enough to me.

    • Reply

      Do you get scared when you read articles in The Onion? Did you see the article headline about Hugo Chavez finding out Bush is the devil and think “that’s dumb, there’s no way they could have interviewed him”?

  • dudebro

    I think you guys just converted me into a supporter of affirmative action…

    • D.C.

      Or of proper education of satire.

  • brian wilson


  • Big cat

    Sure, it’s funny. But what does it contribute to the conversation? It’s one more rant essentially saying “I’m the entitled one! Look how much I deserve this!” It’s not about the problem, doesn’t propose any solutions, and sounds a lot like another person screaming in a room full of people screaming. Coincidentally, in that environment, it’s hard to hear anything.

    • charles

      This is entirely satirical. It’s not supposed to offer a solution…

      • jenn

        Wasn’t the original letter also a satire? People seem to be blowing one person’s joke a bit out of proportion. The bottom line is that there is no specific indicator of what admissions looks at specifically to admit a student. There are no guarantees and there are always exceptions.

        • zdrav

          It didn’t really work as satire because it represented a pretty mainstream sentiment among many aggrieved white people.

          • ohgoshh

            Well, I had just written a couple of paragraphs in response to this comment, and then managed to have it all deleted when I logged in to post it.

            But the important part is that I think it didn’t work because it just wasn’t well-written satire. What started off strong and could have made a point about the way authority figures set up expectations among high-school students turned into a sarcastic rant about how she doesn’t think it’s fair that she can’t do nothing with her summers and spend her free time watching TV and still get into elite schools. This may not actually reflect her as a person, and I’d like to give her the benefit of the doubt and say it doesn’t, but that’s how it came across, unfortunately.

  • zdrav

    Not to be a snob, but a 2120 SAT isn’t that impressive for the country’s top schools. There are people with 2300+ who don’t get into even just one of their top 5 choices.

    And with massive grade inflation going on in high schools, even a 4.5 GPA has to be looked upon with some skepticism.

    • matts

      agreed – a 2120 SAT is actually quite weak for someone from a privileged upper-middle class upbringing.

      • learnaboutadmissions

        Right, ’cause SAT scores and weighted GPAs are the ONLY and most valuable things these schools look at.

        • zdrav

          They’re the gatekeeper stats. They’re necessary, but not sufficient for one to gain admission into the most elite colleges.

          Once you meet the minimum SAT and GPA, then you have to go the extra distance with ECs, honors, achievements, essays, etc.

          Someone with a 2120 SAT probably won’t even make it past the gate at most elite colleges.

          • anonymous

            I had a 1970 on my SAT, and got into Stanford (class of 2010) through their early admissions process (I was blown away). No, I was not a legacy student (parents are uneducated), did not donate money to the school (we poor), did not know anyone in admissions nor knew any of the deans or the president of Stanford. So no, 2120 is not weak.

          • brononymous

            Your reading comprehension is definitely at 1970-level though, since he was talking about people from privileged backgrounds, a group you have taken pains to dissociate yourself from.

          • don’t be a jerk

            Matts is the one who said privileged backgrounds and zdrav did not specify. Anonymous replied to zdrav. And you jumped at the chance to diss someone who didn’t deserve it. Along those lines, colleges don’t ONLY look at SAT scores as requirements to later make exceptions for certain circumstances – they look at the whole package when looking at anyone. Thanks for playing.

          • PancakeSorting

            And your logical reasoning is quite poor. OP just revealed his or her total score, not the breakdown. For all you know, he or she could have scored an 800 on the Reading section and simply have performed poorly in the Math and Writing sections.

          • Ross Simons

            The difference is depending on the school.

            Where do you rank relative to your peers? What was your school average? Though you may have had a 1970, this may be near the top of your school, or the best period. If the education you’ve been provided usually produces a student with a 1300 SAT, and you got a 1970, then there would clearly be something special about you that led you to get that score despite the educational limitations you were provided.

            However, someone with an upper middle class upbringing that went to a school where the average SAT score was a 2100, is much less impressive with a 2120. That means they’re just about average. Nothing groundbreaking, nothing specacular. Just average, given the advantages they had. That’s key.

            I went through it with my school. For all intents and purposes, I shouldn’t have gotten into my school with my 1920. I had a middle-of-the-road GPA. I had gotten great recommendations and leadership experience, however. But my school average was closer to an 1100 (combined, all three sections). My score beat my valedictorian’s score by just under 200 points.

            So though I probably should not have gotten in given the factors, when ranked relative to my peers (and thus, the relative advatage/disadvantages provided), they clearly saw something.

          • Lucy

            I am an Ivy League student who went to a top prep school where the average SAT was somewhere in the 2200s. I got a 1980 and was accepted early to an Ivy.

            I know several classmates had similar experiences, or the inverse (great SAT scores and poor admission results). SAT score matters very little regardless of the context you came from. It is just one of many factors considered, and is most likely one of the least weighted in any admissions decision. Grades, essays, and recommendations matter far more than any arbitrary metric devised by a company with far more financial interests than any merit or education interests.

            I also worked in admissions offices at both the prep school and my university, and counselors of each have reiterated what I outlined above. My father is a Professor who decides graduate admissions for his department, and he barely takes note of the GRE– only if the student did particularly poorly does he even consider it. Average to above average to exceptional scores he ignores.

            There are also a myriad of peer-reviewed studies that find no correlation to SAT scores and success in college. Admissions offices are definitely aware of these and have adjusted their processes accordingly.

          • zdrav

            2120 is not weak in general. But it is indeed weak according to the standards of the most selective colleges in the nation. This is just pure empirical fact. Your one outlier story doesn’t change this.

            I’m very impressed that you got into Stanford with “just” a 1970. You must’ve had something really special going for you! Did you have any special achievements or abilities?

          • SAT dave

            2120 is a good score for any college – it’s in the 97th percentile for composite scores. It may seem, as others posted, that “everyone” has high scores on the SAT, but it’s simply not the case, it’s just that only people who have high scores are shouting about it. There aren’t enough students who scored 2370 or higher (asdf’s alleged score, though I am extremely skeptical) to fill just one Ivy League freshman class, never mind the 8 Ivy Leagues, plus Stanford, Johns Hopkins, and whatever the hot small liberal arts school is this year. The 2120 score would put her in the top 50,000 scores (out of 1.6 million) last year; a similar score on the PSAT would make her a National Merit Scholarship qualifier in most states. Any SAT score above 2150 shows that you are qualified to do the work at any school, no matter how rigorous.

          • zdrav

            I’m not saying that it’s a bad score. I’m saying that if you get a score like that, you have no standing to cry foul when you’re denied admittance to an Ivy League school and its peer schools.

            No SAT score results in an automatic acceptance, but a 2120 is so far from being even remotely a shoo-in that being upset that you didn’t get into Harvard/Princeton/Dartmouth/Penn reeks of severe entitlement issues.

          • guest2

            you’re obviously a minority.

          • ellie

            I got a 1960 on my SAT and I go to Columbia.

          • zdrav

            Congrats! But you’re an outlier. You can’t honestly tell me that most people who get below 2000 get accepted into Columbia.

          • Leah

            I got a 2070 on my SATs and got into Yale early action. I’m from a comfortably middle class family, got great grades, did lots of interesting extracurricular work, and wrote killer essays. I got near perfect scores on both of the English sections, and a significantly lower score on the math one. So I’m not a math person, I acknowledge that up front. That is not where my energies will be focused in my life, and I hope to do great and fulfilling things in the areas where my talents and passion lie. Luckily, Yale did not fault me for that. So yeah, SATs are definitely important, but is an exorbitantly high score absolutely necessary to get into your dream school? Not always.

          • zdrav

            I’m very happy for you, but as I’ve said to a few others, you’re an outlier. For every one of you, there are probably 5 people with sky-high scores with great EC’s who got rejected from many of their top choices.

            My point is that it’s laughable to think that a 2100ish SAT score is some kind of shoo-in for the most elite colleges in the country.

          • Leah

            I don’t think that any score makes you a shoo in for an Ivy League School, I don’t think there’s such thing as a shoo in at all. There are enough qualified students applying for the admissions department to fill any given spot 10 times over, so who even knows why a person gets in or not. On a related note, and I’m sure I’m preaching to the choir here, but that’s why it’s so ridiculous to try to argue that these schools are letting in unqualified students based on their minority status. Come on, an Ivy League school has so many students of every racial, religious, or socio-economic faction applying that there’s no way that they have to let unqualified students in to “fill their affirmative action quotas” or whatever. It’s just ignorant to suggest that.

          • zdrav

            Certainly, no score makes you a shoo-in. But if you get below a certain score, you’re definitely a shoo-out.

            On the related note, it comes down to the fact that some people think that certain inequalities shouldn’t be allowed while others are more tolerable. Affirmative action admits aren’t the only ones that are “underqualified” in terms of academic stats. Legacies, athletes, and children of donors are also beneficiaries of lowered standards, but for some oh-so-mysterious reason, these people don’t elicit the visceral kind of resent and anger that affirmative action admits generate.

            I guess this is how the thinking goes:

            Legacy = Alumni loyalty = Great!
            Athletes = Hot bodies = Whoo hoo!
            Children of Donors = Cha-ching = Awesome!

            Affirmative Action= Racial diversity = Eww!

          • Devo

            Athletes aren’t underqualified, they’re just qualified in a different way. Think about it: if you compose symphonies or wrote a published short story or invented something awesome, you probably won’t need to have test scores or grades that are quite as high as someone who doesn’t have these other accomplishments. Why shouldn’t being an excellent athlete be considered an accomplishment, too?

            Anyway, you hear this argument a lot, but I’m not sure I buy it. And I’m generally a support of affirmative action, by the way, I just don’t think this argument gets you all the way there. First, yes, it’s true that there are all sorts of privileged people in this world (e.g., legacies, rich kid whose parents donated, etc.), but drawing distinctions based solely on race is the only one that we’ve decided to make explicitly illegal (and even unconstitutional, sometimes) in virtually every other context; if you want this context to be somehow different, you need a better justification than simply “there are legacies and they’re not that great.” Second, it doesn’t tell you what should happen when there is a minority kid and a white kid who are both legacies, went to the same private school, etc. This, I think, is the biggest problem for affirmative action: a perception that there are all sorts of minority kids identical to the middle class white kids who are getting some sort of huge boost and laughing all the way to the bank. Query whether this is really the case, but I think a lot of middle class America thinks that it is.

          • zdrav

            Well, using your logic, everyone’s qualified in their own way. The kid who’s devoted hours to Halo and is a nationally ranked ladder gamer also has a unique qualification that he worked hard to accomplish. We just choose not to endow any prestige to an accomplishment like that. But how is that, or any other accomplishments we ignore, any different than being a really good sailor or a really good squash player?

            Perhaps one could make the argument that being a good player in a popular sport helps raise school spirit and profile, but there’s almost no excuse for favoring athletes in obscure sports except as a rationale to allow a backdoor entrance for wealthy and mostly white students.

            You’re right about affirmative action being a bit clumsy. I don’t think a wealthy black kid who went to a St. Grottlesex school and who has an investment banker for a father should benefit from AA. I do, however, think race is as salient a factor as class when it comes to determining one’s life in America. So I think BOTH race and class should be a factor.

          • Devo

            Decent point regarding qualifications. I guess it’s a bit like cultural differences: there are some we celebrate in the name of diversity and there are others we try to squelch (e.g,, gender-based power structures). I’m of the opinion that athletic achievement is one to celebrate, but I could see how reasonable people could differ and how the culture of scholastic athletics could get a little bit out of hand. And I would have previously rejected videogames as an “achievement,” but the more I think about it, the more it seems like it would confer many of the same benefits (e.g., goal-setting, perseverance, etc.) as athletics.

            Also, while nowadays the idea of placing value in college admissions on athletic achievement seems healthy, well-rounded and wholesome, it had a nefarious origin, back in the day. From what I’ve read, the Ivies were concerned about letting in too many Jewish kids. Since they were perceived as being brainy but “unmasculine,” the colleges came up with what they called the “total man” concept to deal with this perceived problem. WWI could have been a factor, too, but I certainly wouldn’t be shocked by the former explanation.

            And for what it’s worth, I agree with you regarding race and class. I think focusing on both is necessary for education to be a democratizing influence instead of a hegemonic one. And fortunately, I think a lot of higher education institutions agree with you, too.

          • hmmm

            If he wrote a sick essay on his Halo prowess and/or found some way to influence others with it (along with the other key application components we’ve discussed), he probably would! It’s happened. Just playing devil’s advocate here…

          • trell

            If you call 20 people outliers, they stop being outliers after a while. A 2100 isn’t a shoo-in, but you’re acting as if it’s the score of a not-so-intelligent person when it really isn’t.

          • zdrav

            You do realize that tens of thousands of students apply to colleges every year? Approximately 50 000 people apply to a single Ivy League school alone.

          • SAT Dave

            Penn is the largest Ivy, and it received just 30,000 applicants (a record) for the class of 2015. Yale gets about 28,000 applicants. There are 8 Ivy League schools, and a 2120 is in the top 50,000 scores in the nation. I’m thinking that it’s not her SAT score alone that led to her rejection (although I wouldn’t use that word).

          • ellie

            Well, I’m simply trying to show that colleges take a more holistic approach to admissions than simply opening the gates to everyone who made a 2400 on their SAT. A 2120 is certainly not “low” for highly selective schools, considering the fact that the average is somewhere between 2100 and 2200.

          • zdrav

            Definitely, admissions take a holistic approach. But they do have floors for “normal” applicants.

            As for the average SAT scores, you have to realize that those contain scores of legacies, affirmative action admits, recruited athletes, children of donors, even celebrities sometimes.

            For the average unhooked applicant, the required score is significantly higher.

          • Lucy

            Most people who get any score don’t get accepted to a certain school… logic, try some. Just as most people who get 2400s don’t all get into Harvard (not enough spaces!).

            What about the student who gets into an Ivy with great scores but poor grades? Wouldn’t you also call them an outlier? There certainly are some.

            Or, great score, great grades, but zero extra-curriculars and an uninspired essay/recommendations. Some of those also get accepted to Ivies.

            It’s the total package that counts, as well as the specific needs of the university and the general demographics of the applicant pool.

          • zdrav

            For the unhooked (aka “normal”) applicant, there are certain baseline scores and grades that s/he must have. Only an extreme minority of people will get to attend Stanford with a sub-2000 SAT simply due to their super-duper special essay.

          • thatasiankid

            dude, I got a 1910 on the SAT in 7th grade. No bs, im in 8th grade right now. I know people with way higher scores than you that did not get into top colleges. also, suzy lee weiss is a pompous prat.

          • PancakeSorting

            Obviously, there are individuals who make it into elite schools with lower SAT scores. How do I know? Go to college admission websites and look at their admission stats. Many have this crazy stat about not only the average SAT score of admitted students, but also the RANGE. I know. Crazy. As you’ll see, every year, there are students who score considerably lower on their SATs than their peers. In fact, they may even score lower than some students who attend area state schools. GASP. College admission is not simply about SAT/ACT scores and GPA. Those are probably two of the most important factors (for most colleges) but they are not the only factors. And I can certainly see why- would Harvard reject a person with 2100 if they got an 800 on the Math but only 650s on Reading and Writing? Maybe. Maybe not.

            At any rate, I do think Suzy had a point in that a great deal of admissions decisions are somewhat of a “crapshoot.” As in, many of the borderline applicants are admitted over other borderline applicants for reasons that have little to do with their demonstrated academic ability. But then, that is why they are borderline applicants – if you don’t want these extraneous elements to come into the admissions decision, then you should make sure you shine in every single area, with excellent scores, ECs, reccs, etc. Otherwise, be prepared for the crapshoot.

          • asdf

            agreed. I got 2370 and the asians in my high school have an AVERAGE SAT score of at least 2200, with the majority of them not getting into ivy leagues. 2120 is very weak comparatively, although there are always other circumstances that play in.

        • Jeremy Nimmo

          SAT scores are the only most valuable thing they should be looking at, if a more g-loaded test isn’t available.

      • Devo

        Right! Fortunately, being white and middle class, I was born knowing all this sh*t!!! All I had to do to get awesome grades and scores was sit around all day and play videogames! It was totally sweet. My also-middle-class black neighbor had to work so much harder. Sucks to be him, eh!!

        No, but in all seriousness, both of these opinion pieces are flippant and neither does much to help anyone understand either the objections to or justifications for affirmative action in college admissions. The Weiss piece articulates a particular view: one that says “otherwise identically situated minority kids are getting an advantage, and because they’re identically situated, it’s an advantage they don’t deserve and it’s not fair.” And whether or not you think it’s mistaken, it’s a very widely held view in America and it needs to be addressed. Why? Because unless you want consideration of race in admissions to be banned (and some states are already moving in that direction), you need these people on your side.

        So what do you do then? I think you need to appeal to their sense of fairness. Explain to them why, despite appearances, minority kids in America are NOT identically situated to their white counterparts. Explain to them that schools DO already take economic circumstances into account when making these decisions. Talking past each other with snarky articles is not helping anyone.

      • Christopher Smith

        Because somehow priviledge equals brains and good scores? Yeah, right.

    • Alex

      I had a 3.0 GPA, and I got a score just under that! The people I know who got into Ivy Leagues had perfect or near-perfect SAT scores!

  • Eden

    Game. Set. Match.

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  • Shrub

    Your snark made my day.

  • lola

    fucking props

  • des111168

    “I’m a black female from the inner city with divorced parents, a gay mother, and a part-Native American stepmother. Every college was going to recruit me like I had a great jump shot.”

    While this was written as sarcasm, it’s essentially true. It’s the kind of thing college admissions staffs drool over.

    • lola

      no, hon, they drool over those who have op-eds published in the WSJ. my brother made the mistake of assuming that as a universal truth of college admissions and basically wrote his college essay on the sob story of our family history. got rejected from nearly every college.

      • John doe doe

        Probably because he wrote a crummy essay, plus colleges dislike sob stories because it is explaining why your situation should get you accepted instead of displaying why your mind is deserving.

    • cdcole_27

      Yes. Most certainly. And all those thousands upon thousands of inner city kids who overcome adversity in poorly funded school districts and manage to get awesome grades and SAT scores despite discrimination, poverty, or hunger…it’s practically at epidemic level. We should be concerned. <–Look, I can do satire, too. =D

      Note to Suzy Lee Weiss: you cannot make fun of
      starving children in Africa (mockingly referring to one as "Kinto"),
      talk about using them for your own selfish interests, and then call it
      satire. Satire is for politics and pop
      culture. Not the children dying every
      day who would do anything to experience 1/100th of your privilege.

  • Leonor Fontes

    really funny

  • GlenninVirginia

    Meanness never looks good on anyone. It doesn’t look good on you, either.

  • ForRealThough

    I’m so glad someone in the comments below pointed out that a 2120 SAT is not impressive enough to feel entitled to Harvard! Some people with near perfect scores don’t make it! My little brother (an African-American, all-district star football player) just took the SAT for the first time and received a 2000. His score should increase by about 200 the second time around like mine did because he has started tutoring classes. She is not that impressive! I would LOVE to know what her UNWEIGHTED GPA is too. I am a black woman and I graduated with an unweighted 3.9 GPA after taking 6 AP classes (receive 5/5 on 4 of them), and I didn’t even apply to Harvard because I didn’t think I had a chance. Some people feel so entitled that it makes me sick! I’m sure she could’ve gained admission to some other great universities that aren’t Ivy League– why only apply to Ivy League schools and then Penn State as a safety?? She should’ve applied to Ivies in addition to selective but less prestigious schools like UVA… She obviously has no common sense. Maybe Ms.Weiss didn’t gain admission because her essays reflected her poor character and entitlement issues.

    • zdrav

      You’re welcome!

      I speak from personal experience. I got 2300+ on my SATs and got a couple of perfect SAT IIs, and still, I expected to be rejected from Harvard and Yale and Stanford because there are just so many exceptional high schoolers who apply to those schools.Maybe it’s because I’m a minority (though not Black or Latino) that I didn’t grow up with an egregious sense of entitlement.

      And guess what? I didn’t get in. But I did get into another great school that was actually my #1 choice. And I had a great college experience that fundamentally shaped who I am today.

      If you’re gonna be great, few colleges can take that away from you. But if you’re inherently sub-standard or mediocre, even going to Harvard isn’t going to change that. If anything, it’ll just magnify it even more.

      • Martin1

        Hi. I just wanted to say that I love your last paragraph and will remember and spread the wisdom found within it. Thank you.

      • Amoose

        I am in Harvard right now, about to graduate, and THANK YOU for that last comment. There are so many people here that have shaped their identity around this place, and if that’s all you have, you’re going to get kicked in the pants quite quick. I haven’t seen the “opens doors” thing yet, with regards to the Ivy degree–but I’ve certainly seen doors being closed because people don’t want to hire pretentious, entitled-acting douchebags.

        • zdrav

          You’re welcome!

          I think one of the biggest ways to become disillusioned with the Ivy League is to actually attend an Ivy League school. As I said, I didn’t get into Harvard, but I did go to another highly selective Ivy, and while I had a great experience there, I didn’t think that the student body there was especially great. This was further highlighted when I’d meet transfers from “no-name” schools who were just as, if not more, insightful and interesting than most of the other people who had gotten in as first-years.

          And right now, I am at an Ivy League professional school, and Ivy credentials seem to be a very unreliable indicator of academic performance and intellectual curiosity.

  • Prince Faisal

    Contrary to your assumptions, this is a lose-lose situation. All students at Ivy League schools, as with any elite institutions or organizations, know that just about every black there (not to mention other “minorities”) is unqualified and is just filling a quota. The students don’t really respect you–and so it goes with your future colleagues and neighbors. It takes a while, maybe a generation or two, but eventually those schools will hollow out, filled with indoctrinated “minorities” who don’t innovate, create, or excel at anything. The elite status will shift to schools where qualified students actually do those things. Ivy League schools are becoming a collective bubble, just like housing and financial markets. Whoever this Suzie is shouldn’t be too disappointed. Admitting such minorities is just a “cost of doing business”, a thorn in the flesh, but c’est la vie.

    • ForRealThough

      Lol. I know so many black and hispanic students who graduated with 4.0s and SAT scores much more impressive than Ms. Weiss. Maybe you “know that just about every black” at an ivy league school in unqualified because you’re RACIST. Times are changing. The black upper-middle class is growing! We are lawyers, bankers, doctors, and businessmen. Deal with it!

      • Prince Faisal

        “Racism” is an unserious term that minority racists and their advocates use from weakness. If I were racist, I’d not want “minorities” to succeed. In fact, I’m so tired of them failing so miserably that I and so many others are waiting for blacks to start living in a civil, decent, responsible, and disciplined manner and stop their rampant nasty, lazy, sex-drenched, criminal, violent, hate-filled lifestyles of constantly blaming other people for their continual, humiliating failure; all this so they can finally succeed at the basics of life like everyone else, treat people with good will, and be genuinely grateful for all the taxes that have been lavished upon them by non-black taxpayers. Wanting them to admit responsibility for their own lives and succeed and be good people would be something like the OPPOSITE of racism. But people like you fear hearing the truth so much, that when blacks are blamed for their own condition and failures you use the tired old tactic of calling the person racist. That’s not helpful to blacks or to anyone. Non-blacks who tell the truth about blacks would be more appropriately called “culturalists”, since it’s the squalid culture adopted by most blacks that we despise and rightly condemn. But me wanting blacks to abandon that miserable culture and actually succeed at good and decent things doesn’t fit the whiny narrative you want to hide behind of blaming others for blacks’ embarrassing failures.

        • J M

          That has to be the most delusional comment I’ve read in a long time. I mean, listen to yourself. And by the way:

          Racism: A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

          Blacks are “constantly blaming other people for their continual humiliating failure”? “All this so they can finally succeed at the basics of life like everyone else”? The extent of the hypocrisy is mind-blowing.

          • Prince Faisal

            What does your particular definition of racism here add? To your questions: yes, and yes. And why call it hypocrisy but not point it out?

          • Hunter Smith

            Prince Faisal, your comment is appalling and hypocritical. First of all, you do understand that you had written “Blacks,” which makes it seem as though you are blaming every person who is identified as Black. I am Black and I certainly do not act like those in the examples you posed. I
            work extremely hard for my achievements and challenge myself so that I may improve. I define “failure” as me not trying hard enough. I do not define failure solely based on certain regulated standards set by a majority (when I say majority I’m not talking about a race, but just a
            general majority of people who have the same set of standards). So, when you say “failure,” remember that that is a very subjective term and can even vary from person to person. Also, keep in mind that not everyone of a certain identity (i.e. race), shares the same characteristics. Many of the instances you are talking about that relate to Black people happen in poor or underprivileged communities, or involve people that came from those communities.

            Secondly, I am pretty sure many Black people, or just people in impoverished communities understand that the situations that they are in are considered low class and “failings.” They may even hate the situations they find themselves in and feel as though they are in a living hell.
            You assert that Black people should “stop their rampant nasty, lazy, sex-drenched, criminal, violent, hate-filled lifestyles of constantly blaming other people for their continual, humiliating failure,” when you have failed to think critically about their situations. Think about WHY
            they are living in such conditions and what may lead to their abysmal lifestyle. They cannot escape their living situations. They are bound there by many things, but two main factors are lack of finances and demotivation from the outside.

            Many people living in the inner cities are stuck there
            because they do not have the financial means to escape. They would gladly leave to a better neighborhood, but do they have enough money for transportation of all their belongings? Can they afford to live in a community that costs any more than the community they are currently
            struggling to afford? No, they can’t. Some may say that they should get better paying jobs; that could solve the problem, right? Unfortunately, many people do not have an education that would help then get a better job. Most of the people are blue collar workers, laborers. Some don’t even have the ability to even do that, so do you know what they have to do to survive? One really heartbreaking example that happens around Portsmouth is that people *sell their blood* to try to make ends meet.
            Many, MANY impoverished people are not lazy, they just do not have the opportunity or ability to make their living situations any better.

            The second main reason I mentioned about why many poor people, including many Blacks, are stuck in their living situation is demotivation from the outside. By that statement, I mean that even if they had they had
            the finances to leave, there are many corporations that purposefully keep the people locked in to their situation. For example, liquor corporations intentionally and strategically set up many stores around underdeveloped neighborhoods. How do you think that will effect amount
            of alcohol people will consume and lead to violent crimes? With the quantity of liquor and the living situations from which they want to escape, that amounts to a lot of alcohol and violence! There have been countless instances where *police* have intentionally set people up with gang violence and drugs. Places in California are prime examples. Real estate companies box communities in with more expensive houses receding
            from the epicenter of a poor region. There are a lot of people who do not want to help others, they do not care about others; they just want money and will do the easiest things for that money.

            I am not making any of this up. It may seem outlandish and inconceivable for whatever reasons, but it is the unfortunate truth. I am not saying that this happens to all Black people, or, in general, people who are in poor
            communities, but many, if not most of the examples that you have used are a function of the reasons I gave. I will not deny that there are Black people, and just people in general who are lazy. There are people who do feed off of tax-payers’ dollars, but to say that “Blacks” do this
            regularly, and that “non-Blacks” are burdened with taking care of them is racist, prejudiced, stereotyping, etc. From my argument, though, the truth is that those people stuck in those communities DO need our help. As I have stated, there are people keeping them locked in their situations. There are also cyclical factors that they cannot help like
            not having enough money because they could not get a decent job because they have a lack of education because education costs a lot and they do
            not have the money to fund that education.

            So, instead of complaining about how you, the “non-Black” person has to shovel your money and cater to the greedy, lazy Blacks while they squander in their
            riches, why don’t you understand and raise awareness of the factors inhibiting the growth of underprivileged communities, encourage the people living there, and guide them to be self-sustaining and educated.
            Colleges are examples of people trying to help out above average students who excel based on the community they live in. They understand that there are cases where people many not have the same skill level in intercommunity relations, but that those who excelled and were the best in intra-community relations have the drive and determination to succeed in their personal growth, and may in fact have a passion to help others accomplish their goals, too. This is not an individual effort, but
            everyone, including you and me, should help each other out.

        • Alex

          You’re gross.

          • Prince Faisal

            Join the ad hominem club, since you’ve got no rebuttal and are too uncomfortable to discuss the simple truth.

    • Guest

      “know that just about every black [what] there is unqualified”

      NOT an Ivy Leaguer….U Phoenix WHATTUPP!!!

    • gimmick

      boo. boring.

    • zdrav

      “All students” think that minority students are unqualified?

      Stop hanging out with racists.

      And all the Asian and Indian students think that the White students are only there because of legacy status or because they’re all-stars in croquet or something. Fair tradeoff?

      • Prince Faisal

        Who is questioning the admission of any students based on academic merit, besides left wingers? Do schools set aside seats for white, heterosexual males who are not academically qualified–or just everyone else? Why trade off? Why not just do it the right way?

        Yes, they know when someone among them is unqualified.

        “Stop hanging out with racists.” = “I want to imply you’re a bad guy because you’re telling the truth and I hate to hear it.” The racist is the girl (Aaliyah Martin) who wrote this letter. If you can’t admit that from the content of the letter, you’re denying the obvious.

        • observer

          ” Do schools set aside seats for white, heterosexual males who are not academically qualified”

          Yes, yes they do. It’s called legacy. It’s called giving spots to wealthy kids whose parents donate money to these institutions. And, of course, this is not the majority of white students, and it isn’t an acknowledged practice that is “on the books,” but it most certainly DOES happen that private colleges make space for white students who don’t deserve to be there. I met several of those people during my time in an elite private college.

          And, in regards to this assertion that minorities should “be genuinely grateful for all the taxes that have been lavished upon them by non-black taxpayers”, I hope that you realize that a) there are far more white recipients of welfare than there are black recipients, and b) far more tax money is spent educating white children than children of color so, no, your tax dollars are NOT disproportionately being “lavished” upon people of color.

          The point of affirmative action is not to “box out” white students from good colleges. It it to allow students of color to get in the doors that have, historically, been deliberately shut in their faces.

          Your racism is not in that you don’t want blacks “to succeed,” as you say. It comes from your complete lack of value for or understanding of black culture (you’re entitled to your own opinions, of course, but your insistence that all black people come from a culture of sex-mania and violence shows how little you know about black Americans), and your incredible snobbery that assumes that white people are inherently entitled to the privilege that they enjoy in our society. I’ve benefitted from that privilege my entire life – I didn’t choose it, not did I seek it out, but as a white woman, I have enjoyed status, social capital, and, in most cases, accumulated wealth that people of color do not possess. It’s a fact of our society that is difficult for white people to accept. Nobody likes to hear that “the only reason that your race is more “successful” than others is that they subjugated others for years and robbed them of any kind of opportunities for wealth and social mobility.” But that’s just the way it is. Affirmative action attempts to right some of those grievous historical wrongs by providing more opportunities for people of color to become a part of academia and the professional sphere than have been historically available to them.

          • Prince Faisal

            Not by virtue of them being those things–white, heterosexual, male. In the case you pose, it’s money, as you said, and the money can talk no matter who it is. We’re talking about identity-based admissions–no one sets aside seats for white, heterosexual males for that arbitrary identity. It’s only done for others. And why? Because they wouldn’t otherwise get in. If a black is in such an institution AND is qualified, he’d be be admitted *anyway*. The very purpose of quotas is to admit non white heterosexual males who are not qualified. If they were, there wouldn’t be quotas. It’s just left wing zealotry at the university.

          • Sammy Sam

            This is the funniest backing down from an argument I’ve ever read. You completely ignored the vast majority of her post.

          • Prince Faisal

            The vast majority of which post?

          • Prince Faisal

            I see it now. I originally didn’t because my first reply to it was from my phone. By the way, you’ve got no arguments of your own, so you resort to heckling. Man up.

            About the taxes: we’re not talking about taxes as they relate to whites or other non-blacks–because they are not the group in question here; they are not the ones so openly rebellious and bitter toward the ones whose wealth is confiscated for their benefit.

            There shouldn’t be affirmative action, period. Why don’t people just begin where they belong academically?

            You have no idea what my understanding of black culture is, nor the extent to which blacks have always been an integral part of my life. You’d apparently be shocked to find out. I’m just not touting it as a “credential” because it’s irrelevant. The arguments should stand or fall by themselves.

            Those sinister elements dominate black popular culture today, and have for decades now. You people keep using the word “privilege”, which is nothing more than saying someone’s parents took care of them and raised them right, instead of abandoning them. People whose parents didn’t take good care of them are not owed anything by the rest of society. They’re not more important, more admirable, inherently stronger, or more deserving of anything. No one is inherently entitled (in a political sense) to parents taking care of them–why put that assumption on me?

            Blacks do not fail today because of years of subjugation–they fail because of bad and selfish decisions (the same basic reason anyone else does), which starts with raising children. It can change in a generation–for non-black children of broken homes too, of course–if the teens and parents decide right now to be responsible. A lot of this irresponsibility is encouraged by politicians and courts and universities that make rules that incentivize bad behavior.

            Affirmative action doesn’t right anything. Why not favor students attending universities where they fit perfectly, given their academic achivements? What’s so bad about that?

            And since when did the racism equate with not understanding a culture? That’s a new one.

          • Udo

            I don’t understand why you seem to want to only discuss “black people” when you originally said “and other minorities”. I think you were just trying to hide the fact that you believe the black race in America is degenerated. It certainly makes you sound a little ‘less’ racist to include “other minorities” but the facade is removed by what you actually choose to focus on.

          • Udo

            The minority quota is not based purely on race, either. It is based on hardship.

          • Sammy Sam

            *Slow-cap* Judging from the one paragraph response of Prince Faisal to this damning,comprehensive retort, he doesn’t have much to say. His stubborness to accept the truth – a continued perpetuation of inequality, however subtle and hard to comprehend it may be him – continues to result in his ignorant responses.

        • zdrav

          You have 2 options: either keep the system as is, or go to a completely numbers-based system that’ll probably make the Ivy League about 50% Asian and Indian.

          Pick your “poison”. But you’ll never go back to the 1920s again.

          • Prince Faisal

            An academic merit based system is what ought to be–I don’t care what the racial or gender outcome is. I don’t know what the 1920s has to do with it.

          • zdrav

            So you’d be fine if the Ivy League looked like the UCs, and even more white people had to go to their in-state public universities? Honest question.

          • Prince Faisal


        • icantdealwiththismess

          you must be white.

          • Prince Faisal

            I must be *right* (if you make that kind of statement). Also, you’re a racist just like the author, which is why you like her letter, since you imply that there’s something wrong with being white. Pure racism and hypocrisy. “You must be” of the same character.

          • dontbeanignoramus

            You do realize that the term racist is used is an oppresser-opressed system? Thus a minority cannot be racist towards a white man for the fact that the minority has never oppressed the white man. Understand racism before you use the term. Second, you want to talk about people at ivy leagues that don’t deserve to be there? It’s the rich white heterosexual males that you talk about that get in just because of legacy (which by the way you feel like its okay to just brush off like that’s not an actual valid point when it is). Third, there is nothing wrong with being white. What is wrong is when a white person does not understand or pretends not to that they have something called privileged. Let’s just put it this way, you are the lowest difficulty setting in the video game. Not recognizing that the only reason you have some sort of superiority because of the oppression you’ve placed on other groups is stupid and makes you an ignoramus. You obviously live in a bubble where you’ve just been fed this bullshit you’ve been trying to spew for you whole life, but you need to eventually step outside into the real world. It’s not the white man’s world anymore. Black people don’t get into these schools because they are unqualified. Even if they are filling out quotas, Harvard is not going to fill these quotas with “unqualified” Black people. Harvard has a reputation that they probably would like to keep. Also learn that you have no right to your opinion. You are not entitled to it. You can defend it all you want till you are red in the face, but if you have no actual evidence behind what you say you should probably just shut up.

          • Prince Faisal

            Oh dear, who’s been feeding you this stuff? I don’t know that I’ve ever heard someone else use the term “racism” in any coherent, meaningful way, but let’s at least admit that racism is something very basically like “exercising or expressing ill will toward someone strictly based on his race”, which can go every which way. You’re simply childish if you try to define a bad-to-be-called word as something that applies to the group you like to criticize and not to the group you like to defend. Absurd.

            If by “legacy” you mean “bribe”, then yes, that’s wrong too! Who’s defending that?

            You’re repeating left-wing talking points. I know this vocabulary and game. You’re defining oppression into the equation to begin with, so you can use it as an excuse. Blacks are not oppressed. Their culture by and large is one of no well-rounded discipline, and poor performance and behavior, to say the least. That’s why they fail so badly. The worst thing in the world for their sympathizers to hear is that they are responsible for their own condition, which they are. What you call “privileged” just means that those students’ parents (no matter what color) raised them right and did not abandon them. That’s not oppression, that parents being responsible and not being lazy cowards.

            To the contrary, it sounds like the white sympathizers (to the lies) on this message board have grown up in a bubble and think it’s hip to see and hear and hang out with blacks at Ivy League schools because they never got to spend time with them growing up. That’s not doing blacks any service at all. It so happens that I grew up inner city America, not in a bubble. So take your left-wing nonsense elsewhere.

          • Musicalboy

            Prince Faisal you are SOOOOO RIGHT. Everything you say is so right one and I am also sick of white people trying to be cool and PC because society says so. Us pretending like most blacks aren’t worthless is actually just making the problem grow bigger!

          • soci

            Your definition of racism is missing a key element.
            Racism involves an exercise of both prejudice AND power. It is certainly possible for people to be prejudiced against white people (and I completely acknowledge that it happens), or, when prejudice is put into action, for people to discriminate against white people. However, racism has an institutionalized nature and refers to pervasive patterns of discrimination. As whiteness is still the societal norm, it’s not possible to be racist toward white people. Anti-white
            remarks may be rude, but they’re not fostering any sort of stifling regimes or creating horrible, society-wide stereotypes about white people.

            Also, privilege does not just mean that
            “somebody’s parents raised them right.” To me, it sounds more like /you/ are the one substituting definitions for words that you’re not bothering to research in context when they apply to the group you’re defending. Any benefits that you possess but did not personally earn are considered privileges – as such,
            there are privileges that relate to race, gender, able-bodiedness, and so on and so forth. White privilege means that you won’t be targeted or harassed on
            the premise of skin color, can comfortably spout ignorance about other cultures without facing repercussions, don’t have dreadful stereotypes associated with your race like the very descriptors you posted way above about blacks, can view media that positively and consistently represents your race, have – in some cases – access to systems like legacy for college…I can go on if you insist. Poor whites who face harsh conditions certainly exist, but their problems are not quite the same – they don’t have the double stigma of poverty and race upon

            I suggest you read Hunter Smith’s comment above,
            which outlines many disadvantages that black Americans face (which, in many cases, can foster an environment in which “good parenting” is difficult or simply not enough to lift someone out of poor conditions). I doubt ANYONE
            wants to live in poverty and squalor and be faced with demeaning stereotypes, but the people who DO are often trapped in vicious systems that greatly impede any attempts to escape. Please fact check and refrain from using blanket assumptions about groups. No one is invalidating your experience in the inner city, but your experiences definitely do not speak for every black person
            out there, and to assume that they do is racist.

    • Eliza

      I’m sorry but I can’t believe you would even think to say that blacks or other minorities out there are unqualified and just filling a quota. There are VERY qualified students coming from predominately white towns who worked their asses off and were the Valedictorians of their high schools. Are you saying that even then they don’t deserve to go an Ivy League? People need to stop making gross over generalizations. It makes me sick.

      • Prince Faisal

        The number of academically qualified blacks at these institutions is minute. They box out other, more qualified non-blacks because the university thinks it’s interesting to have them there, and because the universities are run by left wing ideologues. It’s the others who don’t deserve admission. That’s pretty simple to understand. It’s massive, organized lying that makes me sick.

        • please

          fucking please, do you even KNOW why racial/ethnic quotas started in the first place? so the Ivies could keep out Jews. Look it up. They began a “holistic” process that ensured that they could use a myriad of factors to explain why more high-achieving Jews couldn’t get in over mediocre privileged white prep school students. If the racial quota were not in place, the number of white students at universities would be significantly lower than they are currently. Same with male students, actually. Racial quotas exist to safeguard deliberate exclusion, not to usher in underqualified students. Perhaps the occasional underqualified minority student gets in, but that’s also true for fucking WHITE PEOPLE. The tale of the underqualified minority is a fucking myth. I went to a nearly completely white public school in a fairly wealthy district, and the amounts of cheating, parent-intervention, and strategizing versus actual achievement were utterly absurd. At my high-ranking current liberal arts college, the percentage of African Americans under-reflects current U.S. demographics, so who are you to say that college admissions officers purposely inflate achievements of black students?

          Not to mention, the criteria admission officers use to weigh diversity as a factor also allows the college admissions process to benefit poor white students. They will take into account that a kid who went to a school that only offered 4 APs will seem less impressive on paper than a kid who went to a magnet or boarding school. They will take into account that the quality of education in your state is generally lower than that of, say, Connecticut or New York. It will take into account if your parents are immigrants who couldn’t speak English and couldn’t give you any advice on applying to college. It attempts to take account ALL students who come into the process with built-in disadvantages, white or black.

          Besides, current research shows that employers continue to favor white males, even when offered minority or female candidates with equally impressive or even more impressive resumes. The lazy underqualified minority student is a myth and strawman propped up to make mediocre, privileged white students feel better about their own shortcomings. Period.

          • Prince Faisal

            Like everyone else here, you’re discussing irrelevant material. Ivy League schools using admission quotas to exclude Jews at some point in the past has nothing to do with quotas being used today by liberal schools to admit unqualified “minorities”. We’re also not talking about occasional admission of someone hardly less qualified than the next more qualified applicant. We’re also not talking about whether there was pressure from parents upon the school in your wealthy, white school district. That takes place in poor, black schools as well. Parents tend to think they’re children are always right.

            The other admission criteria is bad and wrong and counterproductive, no matter to whom it applies. Those factors are irrelevant. College campuses, especially Ivy League schools, should not simply reflect the demographics of the population. Neither should the NBA, NFL, or the team of employees at my local McDonalds. There’s no correlation between the general population and participants of these organizations. If blacks comprise 12% of the nation’s population, but do very poorly in school (and they do), then their percentage at a university, especially an Ivy League, is going to be much lower than 12%, less than 1% if any. That shouldn’t be very hard to understand. The sheer number of non-blacks who excel among their demographics dwarfs the relatively very few, black students who are the very top of their demographic. Everyone–all demographics–should just get in line and be admitted where they belong. Ivy Leagues and others don’t have to do this, but they ought to. And as they don’t, they just become very unattractive places.

            Liberals on these messages seem to think advocates of a perfect merit based admission system (such as myself) would be unhappy if fewer white students were admitted, and more East Asian and Indian students replaced them. So what if that were the case? What’s right is right.

            About the research you cite respecting employers: (1) I don’t buy it on its face. Employers want the most for their money. That’s a very powerful a priori case against your research if you know anything about capitalism–similar to the “equal pay” myth. (2) I’ve seen the opposite everywhere I’ve worked–employers purposely hiring non-white non-males to “diversify” the place who were mediocre employees at best, and often poor ones. And that’s just anecdotal.

        • CCS

          Have you ever thought that because the blacks weren’t given opportunities which discouraged some of them from trying? Now that with the admission quota, it provides them opportunities to bring out their potential. That said, their talents can finally be recognized and utilized, just like the whites’ have been. Why the university thinks it’s interesting to have them there? Because they bring perspectives and values to the table which help the student body grow into more well-rounded individuals.

    • somestudent

      This is simply incorrect. I go to one of these institutions, and I recently received an award for having a GPA in the 95th percentile. Oh, and I’m black.

      Many of my black classmates are also successful academically. It just saddens me that people like you are so ignorant. And don’t even try to paint me as “the exception”

      • Prince Faisal

        Straw man. Your comments don’t address the issue. The question is not whether you received an award for your GPA. The question is whether other applicants were more qualified than you were for admission. Therefore, you’ve not proved my ignorance, but *your own* since you gave a straw man argument. And, as I just demonstrated, you need not be an exception, though you could be.

        • Sammy Sam

          As usual, you reply 1-dimensionally, ignoring any multi-dimensional arguments that bring in perpetuation of inequality and oppression into the mix…informed discussion makes you tremble.

          • Prince Faisal

            Sam, are you drunk? I’ve refuted everyone’s points on this message board, and took their arguments head on, also pointing out where their comments were irrelevant. You get no more responses from me. You’re a mere heckler with no mind of your own to produce a substantive thought.

    • Sultan Zain

      How can you make such a generalization? Surely, there will be a few minority students that cannot handle the academic rigor but to make the assertion that “just about every black” is unqualified is wrong. I attend an Ivy League university and can say that this is simply not the case, as there are many black and hispanic students who can not only handle the rigor but also excel in their fields. And other students don’t respect them? Really? Have you attended an ivy league school to know about such an attitude? I can assure you that such an attitude does not exist at my school. In addition, I am speaking as an Indian student, so I would have all the reason to be against affirmative action, as it only negatively affects Asians’ chances of getting into good colleges. I wasn’t a proponent of affirmative action (shouldn’t be based on race; should be based on financial status) and still am not but, unlike you, I cannot deny the abilities of the students that are admitted. It seems as if you are exaggerating your claims to support your viewpoint or you are simply misinformed about the merits of the students at hand. Yes, they are not always as qualified as some of the students that are turned down but they can certainly hold their own when admitted. To call them unqualified and make the assertion that they will not “innovate, create, or excel at anything” is a gross exaggeration.
      Also, how do you think blacks should “abandon their miserable culture?” The mentality that many blacks do have is one that has been ingrained into them due to more than 2 centuries of blatant racism and mistreatment that still exists. How do you expect them to simply drop that attitude when they have grown up with and will continue to grow up with it? It is almost as if you are blaming black people for choosing to be “rampant, nasty, lazy, etc.” but the truth is that a child growing up in the inner city has little choice. What better way to solve the problem than to educate and hope that one day educated blacks can go back and change their communities. The problem won’t simply solve itself. Furthermore, blacks have succeeded and done good things. Your blanket statements and generalizations do not help your argument.

      • Prince Faisal

        I have addressed most of your points in my responses to others’ comments above.

        The way blacks should abandon the destructive aspects of their culture is simply that–to make a disciplined decision to begin right now. Don’t waste your time saying some non-blacks adopt a degenerate culture, or that some blacks don’t. Of course those statements are true. The degee to which blacks do this is markedly worse…the academic and work habits, the depraved entertainment glorifying power and sex and violence and drugs and so on, the irrational and obscene public behavior, etc. This is not a result of racism or mistreatment from whites, it’s a result of (1) their parents making bad and selfish and lazy decisions–the same reason why non-black children become ruined, and (2) they themselves doing the same thing.

        It’s amazing what you can do when you stop blaming other people and start working hard and being disciplined, especially when the government is throwing trillions of dollars at you over a few decades that they took from other people. The only extent to which non-blacks are responsible for this is the encouragement from (typically, but not always Democrat) politicians for blacks’ dependence upon government. Further, if you think the inner city is to blame per se, then why do some very good and decent people (black, white, Hispanic, everything) come out of the inner city–whether smart or not?

    • okay honey

      As a non-minority who goes to an ivy League, I’d just like to say: this is an incredibly dumb and uninformed statement, and barely worth replying to.

      • Prince Faisal

        That’s a common ad hominem attack. And being a non-minority adds nothing to the strength of any argument you might make.

    • perfect_storm

      Statistical data to support those assertions please.

    • Sammy Sam

      Ask yourself. What makes a person qualified. They’re not born that way are they. According to you, minorities (I’m glad you were nice enough to single out blacks) are overwhelmingly ‘unqualified’. So there must be something, some gap, some void continually perpetuated by social structures that results in this differentiation. What am I kidding, why would I try with someone that thinks so 1-dimensionally as yourself.

      • Prince Faisal

        OK, since you posted this before I wrote you off, I’ll give you one last response.

        What makes a person qualified is his academic achievements. Other racial “minorities” don’t underperform to the level blacks do, and the girl who wrote this is black, so that happens to be the group in question. Unqualified doesn’t mean the person is an idiot–do I really have to explain this to you?–it means a sufficient number of other applicants were more qualified than they were.

        Why must that gap be continually perpetuated by “social structures”? You have to make that case. Why can’t it be perpetuated by the group itself, especially given their markedly different characteristics consistent with that gap? You’ve got to try to think clearly, man.

    • annoyed


    • UnqualifiedMinority

      You seem to be making a lot of generalizations, which makes all of your points invalid and ultimately exposes your ignorance. As an “unqualified minority” at a top university, I love the hate and disrespect from people like you. Honestly, racists who try to belittle entire populations just fuel my passion. I know for a fact that my 1970 SAT, low high-school rank (35/250), and sub-par achievements did not get me admissions to MIT, but want to know something hilarious? I consistently score equal to or higher than my “qualified” peers on tests and exemplify a better study and work habit, in addition to having an aptitude to learn, digest, and master material. Not to mention applying myself outside of academics–public service, executive fraternity positions, music combos, and programming projects–while many “qualified” students are working to balance class workloads.

      I’m not trying to undermine the “qualified non-minorities” that you suggest are boxed out by unqualified, disrespected individuals, such as myself (at least you say that I am), but rather show you that your generalizations are not only unwarranted, but plain stupid. No student gets admitted to a top college without deserving it. There’s a reason that schools like MIT have an above 95% retention rate, because they accept students that can succeed and overcome the academic pressure.

  • Me10

    A lot commenters seem to be confusing the concepts “I agree” with “that was hilarious.” All in all, it was pretty dull and cliched, regardless of whatever validity in contains. Letterman was right. Wit is dead. It’s all attitude these days.

    • loser

      hahah. great point. humorous to say the least.

  • MP

    A few points: (1) This girl has some major self-hatred for being black; she rages against the world for her being black and their not being black; and releases her anger and ill-will toward people who work hard and make good moral choices despite their circumstances. Consider this: at the end of the day, she can’t stop being black, and she hates this, and she will always hate herself for it. Know this, that under no circumstances is she winning. (2) She–like a significant number of blacks thrive on doing–is outright boasting about stealing. I don’t need to begin to tell you how rotten her heart must be, but consider the meaning of this: it’s a manifestation of her hatred; she relishes in this obstruction and plunder. Blacks have always lived in culture seeped in showmanship and humiliation and shame. They richly derive significance from shaming or humiliating others–it’s why they take contests so seriously, political, athletic, and more; it’s why they act so indecent in public. They can’t humbly and decently win or lose (even illegitimately), because they believe a victory rightly repudiates their opponents and justifies their own worldview. She wants validation and justification for her racism from readers of this article, wants to feel virtuous and brave.

    • Adam

      What were you reading? You clearly have deep rooted issues beyond correction… Sad. Its a satirical letter… Your racist and repugnant worldview is sad, and sickening. There is no hatred flung at anyone.

      • MP

        Anytime blacks or their sympathizers hear the truth about blacks, they must dismiss it as racism. What’s closer to racist is telling them what they want to hear and encouraging their dependence and failure. You’re living a lie if you really believe what you’ve said.

        • Maria

          Loool. Let’s try this again. Saaaaaaaaaaaatire.

          • MP

            Satire is just her method of delivery. The content is the same no matter the style. And the content is worthy of criticism.

        • Sammy Sam

          Blacks are dependent on who? They don’t have the money to pay 50,000 for school? they don’t have the money. Half the adult males in their life are in jail? Too bad. Education is laughed off while a culture of violence is encouraged. So sad. “Black sympathizers”. Come on man. Firstly it’s obvious that the vast majority of people aren’t even taking their time with you as you definitely do seem ‘beyond correction’. You don’t want to encourage their ‘dependence’ or ‘failure’? Then why don’t you actually stop being a side-line hater and target the social structures that consistently perpetuate such dependency and failure? Or, lemme guess, blacks are just born like that.

          • MP

            Dependent on the government (other taxpayers). No, you’re wrong–blacks are not born a certain way that guarantees their failure…that’s a pretty racist thing to say. Blacks can succeed like the rest of us! They just have to do the right thing!

          • CCS

            They try hard to succeed – it’s people who think like you push them back by calling them all the things you just did.

          • Sammy Sam

            MP, I don’t think even you understand your argument. How can you generalize and say blacks are dependent and then go on and say they are not born in a way that guarantees their failure? I gave you examples of how they are set up for failure and you gave me propaganda about welfare money that goes to more WHITES than blacks. Sick dude. “They just have to do the right thing” lol what does that even mean? Stop lying to yourself MP. You think all blacks are lazy and dependent (don’t give me the whole ‘not all blacks’ nonsense) and you know for a fact that you were implying they were born that way. If not, then you admit that there are social structures that maintain their dependency and distance from ‘the rest of us’…seeing as it would be a huge coincidence if all blacks independently became ‘failures’. Either way, you have one of the weakest arguments that you just keep twisting for your own ignorant benefit.

    • Sammy Sam

      “Blacks have always lived in culture seeped in showmanship and humiliation and shame. They(all) richly derive significance from shaming or humiliating others”

      Sigh…do you really think you’ll be taken seriously when you make such preposterous generalizations as this? You must know Aaliyah so well. It’s just crazy (and awkward) how satire brings out such genuinely ignorant, hating people as yourself.

      • MP

        Sammy, It’s not about being taken seriously–I’m not making political points. You must not have grown up with many blacks to understand the personal dynamics and culture and how they differ from that of other groups?

    • CCS

      Are MP and Prince Faisal the same person? They surely have the same level of reading comprehension.

  • Josie Packard

    Thanks for exposing one of our mistakes.

    Best regards,

  • MP

    (3) To the contrary, she is not nearly as strong as she’d like people to think. Lashing out and raging is never strong–it’s very weak and unstable. Those circumstances don’t make her stronger than anyone else. She desperately wants to believe that Suzie and other whites whose parents decided to be responsible and raise their children are illegitimate for doing so, because simultaneously blacks like herself are suffering “unfairly” in comparison due to the moral failure of her own parents. Contrary to her convictions, and the convictions of many other blacks and guilty-feeling whites, blacks are not stronger or more deserving or intriguing people because they live degenerate lives under degenerate circumstances–in fact, they’re weaker and unfit (when it happens, which is most of the time) and undeserving and uninteresting because their parents–and no one else–have subjected them to an arrested development of their minds and moral character, something that probably is never or rarely reversed. So while she wants admiration for “overcoming” her circumstances as a “survivor”, all she did to some minimal extent was what she was supposed to do, and even then she admits to being lazy–no surprise there. Meanwhile she has been wholly unable to weather and overcome the advanced and sophisticated circumstances Suzie has faced throughout her life, things about which Aaliyah knows very little to nothing. She’s lived a life of petty indulgence. As CS Lewis said, “A silly idea is current that good people do not know what temptation means. This is an obvious lie. Only those who try to resist temptation know how strong it is. After all, you find out the strength of the German army by fighting against it, not by lying down.” Aaliyah is masquerading as a victim when in reality she’s a displaced vulgar thief of weak character.

    • zdrav

      Wow, you’re a bad writer. It’s hard to understand what the hell you’re talking about.

      • MP

        It’s straightforward and it’s in English. What more do you want? I think rather what you’re saying is “I don’t like to hear what you’ve written, because it’s true.” Or else why bother responding?

        • zdrav

          No, it wasn’t straight-forward. It was a wall-of-text rant. Good writing is clear and concise as it needs to be.

          • MP

            Nah, you’re still wrong. You’re just saying that because you took exception to it.

    • Leah

      I don’t think she’s lashing out or raging. She’s making a satirical comment on this whole issue. Also…your whole point about “blacks being degenerate” sounds a wee bit like Nazi Eugenic Theory. Just something to think about…

    • Sammy Sam

      If you read Suzy’s article and read this article right after, you should see that it is literally a satiric response, as in she’s ridiculing Suzy’s claims through examples that Suzy herself mentioned. In effect, this girl is showing Suzy and example of a person that she shouldn’t expect much sympathy from. More importantly, this article should show people that things aren’t black and white.

      One thing you’re doing, which you likely don’t realize you’re doing, is criticizing a group of people for something that social structures have caused. It’s not hard to understand your stance, one that argues wholeheartedly for survival of the fittest in this case and criticizes marginalized minorities as ‘uninteresting’ simply because of their situation. Yes, everyone faces hardships (unequally). But you’re doing no one any good in ignoring the elephant in the room: the perpetuation-whether passive or active-of inequality. With economic and CULTURAL capital (money for tutors, appreciation of education, language and much more), many high-socioeconomic status whites are far ahead than the average minority will ever be. You might say, ‘That’s the way it is, stop whining’. But my point isn’t a even to condemn the system (that’s another discussion). My point is that is sad how frequently people leave such a big factor out of the discussion.

      • MP

        Sammy, you are way off on this: “With economic and CULTURAL capital (money for tutors, appreciation of education, language and much more), many whites are far ahead than the average minority will ever be.”

        This is a common and terrible liberal mistake: you think that “having the stuff” will make people rich and well off–it doesn’t. It even fails in business. It’s the will and the mind–the discipline–that count for success. The “average minority” can be as far ahead as whites and even further if they take care of their kids, discipline them, keep them off the street, work hard, and make good decisions. I long for the day when blacks produce a culture as successful and good as others, or *better*!

  • Andrew Fong

    “law schools have already come a-callin”


  • ohheywhatsup

    I have to say that this is the best response ever to Suzy’s open letter.

  • everyoneslifesucks

    jesus christ people, JUST BECAUSE YOU GROW UP AS A MINORITY DOES NOT MAKE YOU A BETTER PERSON. just because you grow up poor does not make you a better person. get that chip off your shoulder and grow up. it does not make you more qualified, at all. in fact, prep school do make you more qualified. elite high schools are elite for a reason. if your parents were rich, you are more likely to have been better prepared for college and life after college.

    i did not go to boarding school. i did not go to prep school. i am a minority. and you know what? i think the kids who went to deerfield, who went to exeter, are better prepared and as a rule more qualified than those of us who went to public school. do i use that as an excuse? no. i’m doing just fine in classes. but do i understand why schools accept more people from those schools? yeah, it’s because THEY’RE PREPARED. that’s why they call them prep schools.

    does facing adversity and hardship make you a stronger person? sure. it can. does the fact that you grew up black and poor guarantee that you’re a stronger person than a white, affluent person? hell no. if you think that, then your ‘suffering’ taught you absolutely nothing. if you think that white people don’t have problems, you’re the one who’s narrowminded and intolerant. if you think that somebody’s achievement means ‘less’ than someone else’s just because of the background they came from, you’re the one who doesn’t deserve that achievement.

    basically? everyone has a point. everyone’s life can suck. nobody has a corner on suffering. rich people have advantages. poor people can make up for their lack thereof, it’s just harder. is that unfair? sure. get over it, life’s unfair. stop trying to argue that it isn’t.

    • lola

      holy shit calm down. This is just a sarcastic response to Weiss’ horrible “satire,” which DID make it sound as if anyone growing under marginalized circumstances were automatically better off in the college admissions process, which as you pointed out, isn’t true. So sounds like you agree with this author.

    • BrittanyLouis

      Duh, this was SATIRE, and you failed miserably at getting the joke.

    • J M

      “get over it, life’s unfair.” I agree completely: now go and tell Suzy Lee Weiss.

      • Prince Faisal

        Your mistake is this: that while Aaliyah’s “unfair” experience was caused by her parents and herself in her past, Suzie’s unfair experience is caused by a university right now, which has the power to do more of the right thing, but doesn’t.

        • Maame Asare

          What do you mean it was caused by the university? First of all, people need to stop blaming others for their problems. I’m a minority with a 2210 on SATs, a 4.5 GPA, and tons of extracurriculars, but was still rejected from Princeton. I can only blame myself, not other admitted students or the admissions office. I could have worked harder in high-school; I could have participated in more activities; I could have shown more dedication to learning, but I didn’t. Instead of blaming others, I’m taking this as an opportunity to improve myself and still reach my future goals.

          Second of all, Suzie’s “unfair” experience was also caused by herself. The university didn’t look at her application and decide that since she’s white they didn’t want her. They also looked at her test scores, her GPA, her class rank, the strength of her curriculum, her reccomendation letters, her activities, her awards, any talent, and her essays before making a final decision. You, and I for that matter, do not have enough information about Suzie’s application to call the decisions unfair or fair.

        • The Doctor

          I’m going to try and jump to the top of the responses to Faisal here.

          I have attended 2 very prestigious schools, and worked at a 3rd.

          The number of black students in my freshman class, in my degree was very very small; 3 out of 40 maybe. Those three black kids graduated within the top 5 spots for the department. One is currently a doctor at a prestigious research hospital, one is a very successful lawyer, and the other went on to get his PhD and is currently teaching at a very good school. I would say that 100% of those kids absolutely deserved to be there.

          I have never noticed lower quality work from minorities (from America, the quality of foreign student work is all over the frickin place) in the courses I teach.

          Minority students who ‘are just filling a quota’ and don’t actually belong at a school would flunk out remarkably fast. If they don’t fail, then they are obviously capable of doing the work, and are deserving of staying there.

          I’ll concede that there ARE probably AA students who fit that bill, who fail out, and are therefore a ‘wasted’ space, BUT you have to concede that there are plenty of white kids, accepted through the regular admissions process (who are, by definition, better than the white kids who didn’t get in because the AA student took their spot) that fail out and are ALSO a wasted spot.

  • Little Nefarious

    actually being a minority probably *did* help you out, stop being so bitter. suzy had some validity to what she was saying

    • Jon

      Good call. That must be why our college campuses are SO diverse…

  • Peter

    Didn’t get into brown so my parents are giving me a full ride to Michigan instead #whitegirlproblems

  • Helen

    Seriously? Chill out! There are so many good schools in this country that will give you an equally good education as an fancy ivy. And you’ll probably be happier going somewhere that’s a good fit for you than the ‘best school’. Maybe.

  • white=boring girl

    Hi my name is the boring=white girl. My dad lost his job when I was 9 and didn’t have a job until I was 15. We lost our house and had to move in with my Grandmother. 1 door down with no lock was a man convicted of selling merchandise to buy drugs. I didn’t see my mom for weeks when she commuted between states to maintain some money for my family. I used to camp out in my parents car in 10 degree weather just so that my dad would be forced to leave early in the morning to visit her. I was never given any free passes.

    My GPA: >3.9

    If I do average on my MCAT my chance of getting into a
    Medical School is 38.6%

    If a minority has the same GPA and does average on the MCAT his/her
    chance of getting into Medical School is 88%.


    I am at a disadvantage by marking in a dot that says I am white while others are at an advantage for marking minority. The color of your skin doesn’t tell you anything about the color of your life, and rough childhoods definitely cannot be evaluated by marking in a dot that defines your ancestry.

    • cinnamonqueen22

      That is just a number. You won’t actually know unless you apply. If you really comb over the med school admissions, you’ll see that international students (including fresh off the boat and first generation Africans), Indians, and Asians consistently score higher than whites on standardized tests before, during, and after medical school. Last year, less than 4,000 black students out of some 50,000 overall applicants applied to medical school. Less than half of those were accepted, and even fewer matriculated. Do some real stats and you’ll see that it’s not a black girl who may take your spot in med school, there are barely any blacks there. There are higher acceptance rates because the sample size is so much lower. That does NOT mean “more” of us are getting in. It’s simply not true, numbers don’t lie.

      As for the “advantage” thing? I’m glad it makes everyone so upset. I look at it as my reparation. I’ll be dead and gone before we live in a colorless society. Call me token, underqualified, be racist, write snarky articles. It won’t undo the results of the centuries of social injustice that’s been handed to our generation. Get over it.


    Hey I got a 1610, I think,,when the SAT’s were just a two score complilation…and I got into the Marine Corps and got to go to an jungle land and shoot lots of big guns !

    • Jim in Saigon

      Bullroar! If the USMC or any branch of the military service new you had SAT scores that high, they would never use you a infantry. You’d be kept in a nice, air-conditioned office doing paperwork.

  • Sammy Sam

    I don’t think people get it. This girl was responding to Suzy’s ignorance in an equally ignorant way. That’s the point. No one’s saying so and so has it easier are harder than so and so. I think we would all agree that things aren’t as ‘black and white’ (no pun intended) as Suzy claims it to be. The idea of a meritocratic society where the average African American starts off on the same foot as the average Caucasian is just silly. Suzy was over-romanticizing the situation for minorities. Many of the low-socioeconomic status minorities DO in fact struggle. Yes others struggle too, yes colleges want diversity (5% A.A. makes for an amazing college support group I’m sure). But the point is that this girl was responding to an ignorant, biased, unempathetic article by Suzy, and not to you and your personal life story of how you are white and had just as bad a life.

  • Sammy Sam

    One thing that many biased eyes won’t catch in this girl’s article is her singling out of the dominant habitus/system that allows persistent success for high socioeconomic status, Caucasians (a group to which Suzy lee Weiss likely belongs). Many cry and cry about ‘race’ being reversed now, being used against whites unfairly, thinking we should take race out of the entire argument. That’s easy for non-minorities to say, but that kind is the worst kind of negligence…deeming our society ‘post-racial’ when it is not. In a post-racial society where discussing race has become almost taboo and mentioning race is ‘controversial’, marginalization and exclusion from dominant habiti that get you to an Ivy league remain persistent.

  • Oberst70

    this is fucking terrible I hope Aaliyah Martin fails in life. this is all bullshit. does anyone see what I am seeing? a white girl gave much of her life for a dream and this black piece of shit just robbed her of it becuase she is white? Fuck the good damn IVYS and fuck this shit. I hope this black girl fluncks out and becomes trash.

    • D.C.

      If you can’t catch the satire in this…well, fuck you, I guess.

  • Ali Lauro

    What I’ve learned from reading this:upper-middle class whites and asians know exactly what those pesky minorities are thinking. Gee, you guys really are as smart as you think you are. Continue patting yourselves on the back.

  • FB47yy

    I GO TO MIT :) <3

  • Lauren

    This author makes a LOT of assumptions about the Weiss’s life and experiences, while proclaiming their own to be somehow intrinsically linked to their race, WTF does your mom hooking up with a 1/4 Navajo woman when you were in high school have to do with why you should get a scholarship? I know a white girl from a rich white family whose father had sexual reassignment surgery and came out when she was in high school, does that somehow make it okay for her to call out anyone else? Why can’t this author talk about what she did to earn her place at Harvard through her hard work rather than tear down someone else? Weiss may have been unjust, but this author is truly no better. Not ungracious, but certainly self-righteous and uninformed.

    • Jon

      It was meant to be sarcastic and reduced to nonsense… a reflection of Weiss’ s own assumptions…

  • StanfordBro

    I go to Stanford, what the fuck am I doing here?

  • bmzt

    I don’t understand why the issue of helping underprivileged children is race based. Students are not denied educational opportunities because they’re minorities. Instead, students are denied for socioeconomic reasons. Why bring race into the equation at all? If a poor child, regardless of race, growing up in the south Bronx manages to have the same criteria (grades and test scores) as a child who received better education and private tutoring, he is or she is cleared more qualified. Although we are not perfect, and not everyone is capable of hiring without making race a factor, making race the issue instead of social class does more harm then good, The first step to creating a truly “color blind” society is to stop focusing on race at all. We should remove it from test demographics, college and job applications. We are all humans, all created equal, so stop acting like we are all that different.

    • Peterg123

      I agree the problem is not that preference might be given to Miss X from South Bronx with identical scores and grades to Miss Y from Ivy Prep High School. It’s that Miss X can get much lower grades than Miss Y, and still jump her place. This merely devalues the degrees of all, instead of enhancing the degrees of some.

  • Sbhatt

    I have a 2250 SAT, 33 ACT and SAT2s- Chem-730, UShistory- 730, Math2- 730 and Bio-770. I got ejected from Middle tiered schools- Cornell, Tufts, Macaulay, Haverford. Im going to Stony Brook next year…. How is that fair?

    • Jim in Saigon

      You didn’t gain admission because you do not know the difference between “rejected” and “ejected.”

  • UKguy

    Im confused. Do no whites grow up in broken and poor homes? Do no whites attend poor schools?

  • guamjeff

    Using race as factor is racism, pure and simple. The laws against it are sickeningly bent to go against white students. No different than 50 years ago when a black kid was declined based on…race. The principle holds true. Just because a kid had no parents at home or a crack head mother doesn’t add or take away from academic achievement or add to qualifications or take away.

    That’s why there’s such a visceral reaction to race based favoritism as much as race based disqualification. Modern young people have been so brain washed that the push to oust whites and push in blacks or latinos is totally lost on their “designer” brains and attitudes.

  • guamjeff

    The “letter” from Aaliyah Martin is exactly representative of what is and is going to happen more and more in the USA because of the “good deeds” done by the white people that freed the slaves. (Republicans by the way). The non whites have been told over and over and over that it was white people that enslaved them and white people that continued to hold them back. Not true. It was racists, both black and white that sold their bodies to be enslaved. Now the blacks especially, hold themselves back by refusing to be civilized because it’s too “White”. Look who the racists are now and what they will accomplish for the nation. Will they be satisfied if modern “whites” are bound in slavery? I actually believe they would try to be. Totally stupid.

  • Austin

    I had 2300+ and top 10 in my class of around 500 with solid extracurriculars overall and didn’t get into a lot of places. Yes, I am an Asian-American male, and there is a lot of talk of certain minorities having an easier time getting into college, but the bottom line is that you deal with the system and make the best of it.

  • natch

    amerikan elitism 101. This is quality shade, I love it (:

  • kudos

    Weiss claimed the article was satire but THIS is satire done right.

  • Kerry Burke

    Ultimately, there are so many different factors in the college admissions process that I believe the best way to get into a college is to show genuine interest, have a good story to tell, and tell it well through your essays and overall application. The rest is just up to luck.

  • Rose Christo

    Marry me, Aaliyah!

  • Crimson

    Don’t get me wrong. The WSJ girl was RIDICULOUS, far too entitled, and not even that accomplished. 2320/4.1/11 AP’s/lived in France 2 yrs/legacy/noted composer, only got off the waitlist at harvard myself after writing an LOCI.

    Whatever the satirical intent of this article, it remains problematic because elements of this narrative are regretfully true. Despite the conditions of OP’s childhood and racial heritage, this does not justifiably entitle her to “showers of financial aid”; and once said student has enjoyed 4 years of privilege in Cambridge, which eliminates the structural inequality that has formed the basis of AA programs in the first place, the fact that they continue to receive preferential treatment as an “under-represented” minority for law school admissions is a prejudicial, counter-productive policy.

    Sadly, whoever wrote this will never read these comments or care to reflect on solutions to these issues since she will be too busy taking advantage of the flaws. Maybe I’ll see her at snacking at Dudley, chatting up a prof on the yard, or shopping at anthro on brattle… just another harvard kid clinging to that special snowflake.

  • hedon123

    The fact that you went to an ivy league school doesn’t matter. No one cares what your scores are. Go do something fun, and stop wasting your life fretting over useless formalities. You’ll be worm chow in 50-60 years anyway and all your energy will be transferred to some bacteria.

  • Charlie

    Everyone keeps attacking Suzy Lee Weiss. But she said that she wrote the article as a satire when she was bitter about not getting into any Ivies. Sure she was angry. Who wouldn’t be? It’s a bit oversensitive to attack her for her article. It’s funny, and part of it is a little bit true. She clearly makes fun of herself and her socioeconomic position multiple times throughout. (Real Housewives?) College admissions is a rat race for many qualified applicants.

    And lets not forget that the admissions process is not perfect. Many colleges choose wealthy minorities over poor rural students to get an artificial diversity that secretly promotes an exclusive upper-class getting the same premiere education as previous generations. Believe it or not, there probably are some black kids out there that didn’t deserve to get into Harvard—not all, or even many, just a few here and there, possibly. It’s easy for students who get into their dreams schools to idolize the admissions process, because if someone else criticizes it, that argument implies that the acceptance was not deserved.

    • KamJos

      If she wrote it from being angry then it’s not satire. It’s what she really felt. She was saying all these things when she was crying and her sister thought it was hilarious. You can’t say that colleges choose wealthy minorities over poor rural students, in fact rural students count towards to diversity. Believe it or not there are Black students that did get perfect SATs and did NOT get into Harvard. And why do Blacks get unfairly singled out, when 1) No spot belongs to a student until the college says so. 2) Something like 93% of applicants to Harvard did not get accepted. There is just not enough space for all the people that wanted to go. Harvard does not even have the space for every White college student who got a perfect score on their SATs and graduated at the top of their class.

  • aep2091

    This girl is just as obnoxious as Suzy Lee Weiss. She needs to shut up and instead of spending time writing this, focus on finishing her high school work.

  • The Doctor

    Scored aren’t everything, by any means, and a score in the 2100s isn’t that impressive, either.

    15 years ago, when I was applying to colleges, I got a 1480 on my SAT (I think that’s just a bit better than the author’s ‘new’ SAT score). I bounced off of all but 1 of the Ivys I applied to, and eventually went elsewhere because the scholarship package from the Ivy sucked. I had excellent ‘demographics’ – but

    Fast forward 8 years, and I was applying to grad school, this time with a perfect GRE score. I bounced off of some good schools, but was accepted to my top 2 choices.

    Afterwards, I ended up reviewing candidates for masters and PhD applications to my department as part of my job at a top-tier university. We usually took the giant pile of applicants and weeded them out like this.

    Anyone below score X doesn’t get looked at, unless a peer personally calls us up and says ‘look at so-and-so, they are much better than their scores appear’.

    Anyone with a perfect score, and a remotely interesting background gets called for an interview, regardless.

    Anything between X and perfect is up to the *very* subjective decision of the acceptance committee. We’d break the pile up so that 2 or 3 members would see each of the middle group’s applications. We’d give them a score, based on how ‘hard’ their undergraduate work was, how interesting their ‘work’ had been, their desire to work with a particular faculty, and all that jazz. Each faculty member generally got one ‘special’ pick if they wanted it; a student they knew personally, or an application that particularly resonated.

    Usually we’d send out interview invitations for about 3x the slots we had open, to the students we thought best, plus any special picks from the faculty.

    I’d say that about half of the ‘perfect’ score invitations were not actually accepted, while something closer to 2/3 of the ‘normal’ process students were accepted.

    After that, of course, only half the students (or a quarter depending) would say ‘yes’ and then we’d do a second round of ‘normal’ process students.

  • Peterg123

    The notion that university places go to the intelligent after a process of competition, or are taught by the intelligent, is one that is as quaint as a cash register with a bell.

  • ddawg

    I get the point here, but it should be noted that she didn’t even *apply* to Harvard. She was rejected from Princeton, Yale, Vanderbilt, and Penn.

  • Oal

    You go girl!

  • Jim in Saigon

    This has been going on since I was enrolled at university (early 1970′s.) We didn’t complain back then, but forty-plus years later “affirmative action” continues. It’s time for a new approach to assisting disadvantaged students gain enrollment in to universities. Affirmative action is nothing more than racial/sexual/minority du jour pork politics.

  • argantan

    Good one. I am like you. Got into the ivy league through hard work in school, a lot of prayers and a miracle. Being a minority in a sea of whites does have its advantages but only having to go through deep turmoil, anarchy and tornadoes of discrimination can one like me finally reap the sweet taste of success and graduation.

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