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The Reality Of Migrants In Arizona: Low Crime, Good Business and White Fright

The Arizona Illegal Immigration Law: Beyond Boycotts, Brewer and the Border Patrol

The internet gets so loud sometimes – especially on a topic like the controversial immigration bill in Arizona scheduled to take effect in late July.  I tried ear plugs.  But I could still read.  I tried closing my eyes, but my typing was a mess.  Then I tried another type of filter – nonpartisan reporting.

I include the Associated Press in this.  You may not, but I do.  And the AP – using good sources – has been doing some really good work out of Mexico City – less good out of Arizona – with direct impact on the immigration debate.   So let’s take a tour of the facts, which are, of course, filtered by my own world view and preconceived notions.

How dangerous is the U.S. – Mexico border?  It must be really dangerous, right?

Uh, no.  From an AP story off an FBI report run by FoxNews:

It’s one of the safest parts of America, and it’s getting safer …

The top four big cities in America with the lowest rates of violent crime are all in border states: San Diego, Phoenix, El Paso and Austin, according to a new FBI report. And an in-house Customs and Border Protection report shows that Border Patrol agents face far less danger than street cops in most U.S. cities.

The study … shows 3 percent of Border Patrol agents and officers were assaulted last year, mostly when assailants threw rocks at them. That compares with 11 percent of police officers and sheriff’s deputies assaulted during the same period, usually with guns or knives.

OK, not that dangerous to be in Arizona.  What about the economy?  Those darn illegals must be killing the economy!

Uh, no.  Another story from Fox, this one an original on FoxBusiness.com:

Putting the law and morality of illegal entry aside, several studies have shown the illegal immigrant population is more of an economic contributor to state and local economies than politicians like to tell an angry electorate. The numbers can be broken down into the fiscal cost (or gain) of illegal immigrants to states, along with the economic contribution of the population.

The most thorough study on the fiscal and economic impact of immigration was done by the non-partisan Texas Comptrollers’ Office in 2006, which showed Texas earned more in taxes and economic output from illegal immigrants than governments spent to provide services.

What is going on here?  A Fox reporter wrote that?  They are supposed to be putting out data by border line hate groups, like in this Fox story, which shows apocalyptic economic damage from illegal immigrants.

What is more, the FoxBusiness reporter then went and found all these business groups in Arizona that want workers from Mexico.  This makes sense to me.  When I covered farm country in New York, the farmers loved their Mexican workers, even if many were illegal.  And only part of that was the fact that the farmers could pay them less.

To be fair, in dismissing right wing crap, I will now dismiss this story on six UN human rights experts calling the Arizona law a violation of international standards.

Left wing hippies!

OK, so Arizona has lots of company in this fight against illegal immigration, right?

Uh, no.  Even as other states move to emulate it, border states could not run away faster.  From the AP again, via, who else, FoxNews:

New Mexico’s governor says it is a step backward. Texas isn’t touching it. And California? Never again.

Arizona’s sweeping new law empowering police to question and arrest anyone they suspect is in the U.S. illegally is finding little support in the other states along the Mexican border.

Among the reasons given: California, New Mexico and Texas have long-established, politically powerful Hispanic communities; they have deeper cultural ties to Mexico that influence their attitudes toward immigrants; and they have little appetite for a polarizing battle over immigration like one that played out in California in the 1990s.

I think the lack of a Hispanic community is important here.  Look at the Tea Party.  You can never deny the impact of latent white racism.  Actually, now that I think about it, this is the story. More from the AP:

Arizona didn’t draw large numbers of Hispanics until more recently, and the bonds of affection to Mexico may have been weakened by the huge influx of retirees and others from the North and the Midwest in recent decades.

“In some ways, these are people who don’t want to deal with this,” said Lisa Magana, associate professor of transborder studies at Arizona State University.

Now, to be fair, Arizona has become the capital of illegal immigration and that is not fun.  Perhaps this is because the state did not want to deal with immigration while other border states came to terms with their geopolitical reality?

The AP catalogs all the supposed pressures that pushed the state to this point in a story here – the violence, the kidnappings, the huge numbers of arrests – except that the deeper stories seem to contradict all that.  In fact, I could look at that as simple white fright.

I would argue that, if anything, Arizonans should be enraged over the War on Drugs, which has dragged much of Latin America down for decades and turned northern Mexico into a war zone, hindering the region from sustained economic growth, the type that would mean poor Mexicans would not have to leave home for life in, say, Iowa.  From the AP, once again:

In 1970, proponents said beefed-up law enforcement could effectively seal the southern U.S. border and stop drugs from coming in. Since then, the U.S. used patrols, checkpoints, sniffer dogs, cameras, motion detectors, heat sensors, drone aircraft — and even put up more than 1,000 miles of steel beam, concrete walls and heavy mesh stretching from California to Texas.

None of that has stopped the drugs. The Office of National Drug Control Policy says about 330 tons of cocaine, 20 tons of heroin and 110 tons of methamphetamine are sold in the United States every year — almost all of it brought in across the borders

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  • paolo

    Hey Nate ..how about visiting before spewing off–you have no clue… and you seem to be a bit off..try living in a border town here in arizona–then tell me a story..you friggin idiot!white fright my rear end! we are not afraid just pissed off!

  • baldy

    IMHO, the issue should not deal with whether illegal immigrants contribute or not to society. Do not obscure the real issue- Are U.S. laws being broken by illegal immigrants? The obvious answer is yes. Having a positive contribution to the economy is not enough as a passport to legal status. How many PhDs, doctors, nurses, bussinesmen, etc. have been deported because they broke the immigration law? A lot more voluntarily left before their visas expired. Thats just how its is, even in other countries.Speaking of crimes and economy, are we better off now with all the illegals than say 3 decades ago in terms of crimes ? ASk some older folks please. I also ask that because its is hard to assess the economic benefits once you legalize these illegals. I read somewhere that almost half would be in poverty level, in relation to family size (not suprising). So a hypothetical reallity is once you legalize these people, expect them to not pay any income tax, a lot will file EIC credit, most will be in welfare, most in social security, etc. Employers will no longer have to pay them the sub-minimum wage, too. Someone else will take over their jobs and guess who these will be – new illegals and those who will not qualify for any legalization.BTW, I am also an immigrant via international student visa, H1B, greencard, and now a naturalized citizen- after a patient 20-year span and following all the rules.

  • Obamatard

    Don't believe Fox news.It is really getting bad in Arizona.The majority of the crime is committed by illegals and the only reason this state is as safe as it is is because we are so vigilant against crime.

  • rob

    I like how all this is being quoted from one and the same source, Fox. Also I would like to think Texas is more strongly against illegal immigration than Arizona. The reason we (trying to generalize the Texas perspective) don't want to involve ourselves with Arizona's decision is the fact that the law is a step in the right direction… but just simply backwards. I think they have the right idea, but they just did the wrong thing with it. Also, here's a quote that you didn't add to your article from AP:”Assaults on agents in the Laredo, Texas, region increased from 44 in 2008 to 118 in 2009, and they increased in the neighboring Rio Grande Valley as well. Agents also fired their guns on 49 separate occasions in 2009, a 50 percent increase from 2008.”What about the worst crime rates? You forgot to mention those. It's not the big cities with good law enforcement we're worried about. Because an illegal immigrant would probably try to avoid big cities. The statistics are biased. What we are seeing here is causation without correlation. Which pretty much nullifies any claims you make.

  • Max9010

    When you are an entrepreneur, you would like that many customer invest in your company, Don't you think so?The same for any corporation owner small or big!A country is nothing else as a large corporation, any immigrant who bring money to this country as any investment like paying the mortgage, the property taxes, insurance etc to build up his/her life has to invest more than $5000 to $850000 depend how big he will be. So any Investor small like a grape picker or even larger has no rights? Government decisions ofallowing that in between rightness or corrupt builder, mortgage, attorneys ore people who life in greed can take advantage of thosewho are vulnerable by law. madoff, aig, wallstreet etc.. the variety is very long. Billions of us dollars in miss use.And now to throw illegal's out of the country is theft. 25000000 victims (2007) of crime are in this countryso how many citizen like you are all over the countryare criminals ex convicts. Most republican war keepers with greed to take the money from those who are vulnerable that is the idea. The republican finger pointing, who broad this country in a financial disaster. Instead of declaring war to and after the terrorists, with all spending brought the economy down and Americans who lifeundisciplined irresponsible in over valuing there living standards who lost there homes to be responsible for their depth.And now take everything away from Immigrants or Aliens ? What a lovely country. Oh, no right to return the food in the restaurant or criticizethe chef or his Kitchen. How low leveled can the people be

  • http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/immigration-myths-and-facts Max9010

    aclu.org/immigrants-rights/immigration-myths-and-factsImmigration Myths and Facts MYTH: Immigrants are a drain on our social services. FACT: By paying taxes and Social Security, immigrants contribute far more to government coffers than they use in social services. In its landmark report published in 1997—arguably the most thorough national study to date of immigration's fiscal impacts—the National Research Council (NRC) of the National Academy of Sciences concluded that on average, immigrants generate public revenue that exceeds their public costs over time—approximately $80,000 more in taxes than they receive in state, federal and local benefits over their life times.1 This same conclusion was reached in 2007 by the Council of Economic Advisers in their report to the Executive Office of the President where they state that “the long-run impact of immigration on public budgets is likely to be positive,” and agree with the NRC report's view that “only a forward-looking projection of taxes and government spending can offer an accurate picture of the long-run fiscal consequences of admitting new immigrants.”2Indeed, most non-citizens are not even eligible for the majority of welfare programs unless they are legal permanent residents and have resided in the United States legally for at least five years. This includes benefits such as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), SSI, Medicaid, and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP).Moreover, according to government reports, noncitizens are much less likely than citizens to use the benefits for which they are eligible. For example, immigrants, especially the undocumented, tend to use medical services much less than the average American.3 In fact, the average immigrant uses less than half the dollar amount of health care services as the average native-born citizen.4 Moreover, the claim that immigrants account for high rates of emergency room (ER) visits is refuted by research; in fact, communities with high rates of ER usage tend to have relatively small percentages of immigrant residents.Likewise, according to Department of Agriculture reports, noncitizens who are eligible for food stamps are significantly less likely to use them than are all other individuals who are eligible for the program. For example, about 45 percent of eligible noncitizens received food stamps in 2002, compared to almost 60 percent of eligible individuals overall.5Most of the fiscal impact from immigration is felt at the state and local levels. The Council of Economic Advisors points out in its report to the Executive Office of the President that “the positive fiscal impact tends to accrue at the federal level, but the net costs tend to be concentrated at the state and local level,” which bear primary responsibility for providing not only health care but education.6Still, according to recent studies from a number of cities and states—including the states of Arizona, Texas, Minnesota, California, New York, North Carolina and Arkansas, and cities or counties of Chicago and Santa Clara—while the cost of educating the children of immigrants may be high, the overall economic benefits of immigrants to the states remain positive.7 A University of Illinois study found that undocumented immigrants in the Chicago metropolitan area alone spent $2.89 billion in 2001, stimulating an additional $5.45 billion in total local spending and sustaining 31,908 jobs in the local economy.8The Udall Center at the University of Arizona found that the fiscal costs of immigrants, starting with education, totaled $1.41 billion in 2004, which, balanced against $1.64 billion in state tax revenue attributable to immigrants as workers, resulted in a fiscal gain of $222.6 million.9 Similarly, in its Special Report about undocumented immigrants in Texas, the Comptroller of Public Accounts found that in 2005, even counting the costs associated with education, “the state revenues collected from undocumented immigrants exceed what the state spent on services, with the difference being $424.7 million.”10MYTH: Immigrants have a negative impact on the economy and the wages of citizens and take jobs away from citizens. FACT: Immigration has a positive effect on the American economy as a whole and on the income of native-born workers. In June 2007, the President's Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) issued a report on “Immigration's Economic Impact.” Based on a thorough review of the literature, the Council concluded that “immigrants not only help fuel the Nation's economic growth, but also have an overall positive effect on the American economy as a whole and on the income of native-born American workers.”11 Among the report's key findings were that, on average, U.S. natives benefit from immigration in that immigrants tend to complement natives, not substitute for them.Immigrants have different skills, which allow higher-skilled native workers to increase productivity and thus increase their incomes. Also, as the native-born U.S. population becomes older and better educated, young immigrant workers fill gaps in the low-skilled labor markets.12With respect to wages, in a 1997 study, the National Research Council estimated the annual wage gain due to immigration for U.S. workers to be $10 billion each year13 in 2007 CEA estimated the gain at over $30 billion per year.14 The CEA acknowledges that an increase in immigrant workers is likely to have some negative impact on the wages of low-skilled native workers, but they found this impact to be relatively small and went on to conclude that reducing immigration “would be a poorly-targeted and inefficient way to assist low-wage Americans.”15In addition to having an overall positive affect on the average wages of American workers, an increase in immigrant workers also tends to increase employment rates among the native-born. According to a Pew Hispanic Center study, between 2000 and 2004 “there was a positive correlation between the increase in the foreign-born population and the employment of native-born workers in 27 states and the District of Columbia.” These states included all the major destination states for immigrants and together they accounted for 67% of all native-born workers.16 California, for example, saw an increase in wages of natives by about four percent from 1990 to 2004—a period of large influx of immigrants to the state—due to the complimentary skills of immigrant workers and an increase in the demand for tasks performed by native workers.17MYTH: Immigrants—particularly Latino immigrants—don't want to learn English. FACT: Immigrants, including Latino immigrants, believe they need to learn English in order to succeed in the United States, and the majority uses at least some English at work. Throughout our country's history, critics of immigration have accused new immigrants of refusing to learn English and to otherwise assimilate. These charges are no truer today than they were then. As with prior waves of immigrants, there is a marked increase in English-language skills from one immigrant generation to the next.18 In the first ever major longitudinal study of the children of immigrants, in 1992 Rambaut and Portes found that “the pattern of linguistic assimilation prevails across nationalities.” The authors go on to report that “the linguistic outcomes for the third generation—the grandchildren of the present wave of immigrants—will be little different than what has been the age-old pattern in American immigration history.”19While many first-generation Latino immigrants are unable to speak English, 88 percent of their U.S.-born adult children report that they speak English very well.20 And studies show that the number rises dramatically for each subsequent generation. Furthermore, similar to other immigrants, Latinos believe that they need to learn English in order to succeed in the United States, and believe they will be discriminated against if they don't.21 Most Latino immigrants (67%) report that they use at least some English at work.22California's second-generation immigrants experience a large drop in “low levels of English proficiency” compared to first generation immigrants, from 27% to 6%, and the proportion of immigrants with high levels of English proficiency rises from 49% in the first generation to 79% in the second generation. The proportion of both Asian and Latino immigrants, who speak English exclusively rises from 10% in the first generation to 29% in the second and 94% in the third.23Notwithstanding the current levels of English language acquisition for the newest wave of immigrants, there is a demand for English language classes that far exceeds the supply and which, if met, would greatly advance immigrants' integration into American social and cultural life.MYTH: Immigrants don't want to become citizens. FACT: Many immigrants to the United States seek citizenship, even in the face of difficult requirements and huge backlogs that can delay the process for years. Most immigrants are ineligible to apply for citizenship until they have resided in the U.S. with lawful permanent resident status for five years, have passed background checks, have shown that they have paid their taxes, are of “good moral character, demonstrate knowledge of U.S. history and civics, and have the ability to understand, speak and write English.” In addition, people applying for naturalization have to pay a fee, which increased by 69% in 2007 from $400 to $675, making it much harder for low-income immigrants to reach their dream of becoming Americans.24Despite these barriers, The Pew Hispanic Center's report on U.S. Census data shows that the proportion of eligible immigrants who have acquired citizenship rose to 52% in 2005, “the highest level in a quarter of a century.”15 In the 2007 fiscal year, DHS received 1.4 million citizenship applications—nearly double from last fiscal year 26—and between June and July of 2007, naturalization applications increased 350% compared to last year.27 In his testimony to Congress, US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) Director, Emilio Gonzalez, referred to this increase as “unprecedented in the history of immigration services in our nation.”28Yet, despite the promise by USCIS that backlogs would be eliminated, applications for naturalization can take a year and half to adjudicate and of the 1.4 applications it received in 2007, less than 660,000 have been decided.29MYTH: Immigrants don't pay taxes. FACT: Almost all immigrants pay income taxes even though they can't benefit from most federal and state local assistance programs and all immigrants pay sales and property taxes. According to the 2005 Economic Report of the President, “more than half of all undocumented immigrants are believed to be working ‘on the books'…[and]… contribute to the tax rolls but are ineligible for almost all Federal public assistance programs and most major Federal-state programs.” According to the report, undocumented immigrants also “contribute money to public coffers by paying sales and property taxes (the latter are implicit in apartment rentals).”30All immigrants (legal and undocumented) pay the same real estate taxes and the same sales and other consumption taxes as everyone else. The University of Illinois at Chicago found in 2002 that undocumented immigrants in the Chicago metro area spent $2.89 billion annually from their earnings and these expenditures generated $2.56 billion additional spending for the local economy.31Legal immigrants pay income taxes and indeed many undocumented immigrants also pay income taxes or have taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks—even though they are unable to claim a tax refund, Social Security benefits or other welfare benefits that these taxes support. In the Chicago metro area for example, approximately seventy percent of undocumented workers paid payroll taxes, according to the University of Illinois study from 2002.32 In the Washington Metro Region, immigrants paid the same share of the region's overall taxes (18 percent) as the rest of the population (17.4 percent), according to a 2006 Urban Institute study.33 This study also points to the fact that immigrants' tax payments support both local and state services in addition to the federal government.The Social Security Administration (SSA) holds that undocumented immigrants “account for a major portion” of the billions of dollars paid into the Social Security system—an estimated $520 billion as of October 2005.34 The SSA keeps a file called the “earnings suspense file” on all earnings with incorrect or fictitious Social Security numbers and the SSA's chief actuary stated in 2005 that “three quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes.”35 Their figures show that the suspense file is growing by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 to 7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.MYTH: Immigrants send all their money back to their home countries instead of spending money here. FACT: Immigrants do send money to family members, making it possible for more people to stay in their home countries rather than migrating to the United States. Importantly, sending remittances home does not keep immigrants from spending money in the United States. It's true that remittances are the biggest sources of foreign currency for most Latin American countries and surpass any amount of foreign aid sent by the U.S. The money sent by immigrants to their family members allows many people to stay in their home countries who might otherwise feel compelled to migrate to the U.S.And while 51 percent of Latino immigrants send remittances home,36 they are spending their money in the United States as well. In fact, a 1998 study found that immigrants become net economic contributors after 10 to 15 years in the U.S.37In addition to paying taxes and Social Security, immigrants spend money on goods and services in the United States. A study of Latino immigrants in California found significant gains in home ownership between those who had been in this country for ten years (16.4 percent are homeowners) and those who had been here for over thirty years (64.6 percent).38 Furthermore, a 2002 Harvard University study of U.S. Census data found that there were more than 5.7 million foreign- born homeowners in the United States.39 The study found that foreign-born new homeowners are buying their homes by saving more than native-born homebuyers and stretching their incomes more.While homeownership nationally was approximately 69% in 2006, it was 60% for Asians and 50% for Latinos—each group with large immigrant populations and therefore greater impediments to obtaining bank loans.40 Although homeownership is largely correlated with legal status in the U.S., undocumented immigrants are also buying into the “American Dream” of homeownership in some of the most expensive housing markets in the country.41MYTH: Immigrants bring crime to our cities and towns. FACT: Immigrants are actually far less likely to commit crimes than their native-born counterparts. Even as the undocumented population has increased in the United States, crime rates have decreased significantly. According to a 2000 report prepared for the U.S. Department of Justice, immigrants maintain low crime rates even when faced with adverse social conditions such as low income and low levels of education.42Although incarceration rates are highest among young low-income men and many immigrants arriving in the U.S. are young men with low levels of education, incarceration rates among young men are invariably lower for immigrants than for their native-born counterparts. This is true across every ethnic group but the differences are especially noticeable among Mexicans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans, who constitute the majority of undocumented immigrants in the United States. Even in cities with the largest immigrant populations, such as New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Miami, violent and non-violent crime rates have continued to decline.43Even after taking into account higher deportation rates since the mid 1990's, and reviewing the 1980 and 1990 censuses, the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) ascertained that, “18-40 year-old male immigrants have lower institutionalization rates than the native born each year…and by 2000, immigrants have institutionalization rates that are one-fifth those of the native born.”44 In fact, according to the NBAR study, the newly arrived immigrants are particularly unlikely to be involved in crime.Cities like Hazleton, Pennsylvania have tried to blame a new wave of immigrants for a supposed rise in crime. Yet, Hazleton's own crime statistics taken from the Pennsylvania State Police show that overall crime in the city has decreased and is now less than half of the national average.45MYTH: Most immigrants are undocumented and have crossed the border illegally. FACT: Two thirds of immigrants are here lawfully—either as naturalized citizens or in some other lawful status. Moreover, almost half of all undocumented immigrants entered the United States legally. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, one third of all immigrants are undocumented, one third have some form of legal status and one third are naturalized citizens. This applies to immigrants from Latin America as well as others.46Almost half of all undocumented immigrants entered the United States on visas that allowed them to reside here temporarily—either as tourists, students, or temporary workers. This means they were subject to inspection by immigration officials before entering the country,47 and became undocumented only when their visas expired and they didn't leave the country.MYTH: Weak border enforcement has led to high rates of undocumented immigration. We should increase enforcement and build a wall around our border. FACT: Increased border security and the construction of border fences have done little to curb the flow of immigrants across the United States border. Instead, these policies have only succeeded in pushing border crossers into dangerous and less-patrolled regions, and increased the undocumented population by creating an incentive for immigrants not to leave. Building a wall along the entire 2000-mile southern U.S. border would be prohibitively expensive. According to a study by the Cato Institute, rather than acting as a deterrent to those attempting to cross the border, increased enforcement has only succeeded in pushing immigration flows into more remote, less patrolled regions, resulting in a tripling of the death rate at the border and decreased apprehensions, and creating a dramatic increase in taxpayer money spent on making arrests along the border (from $300 per arrest in 1992 to $1,200 per arrest in 2002).48Furthermore, increased border enforcement has actually increased the number of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. at any one time. The increased risk and cost to immigrants of crossing the border has resulted in fewer undocumented immigrants returning to their home countries for periods of time as part of the decades-long circular migration patterns that characterize undocumented immigration from Mexico up until the 1990s. Instead, immigrants stay in the United States for longer periods of time, often choosing to immigrate their families to avoid longer periods of separation.49The Secure Fence Act of 2006 directed the Department of Homeland Security to construct 850 miles of additional border fencing. According to a report by Congressional Research Services, the San Diego fence, combined with increased border patrol agents in the area, succeeded in decreasing border crossing in that region, but at the same time there is considerable evidence that the flow of illegal immigration has shifted to the more remote areas of the Arizona desert, decreasing the number of apprehensions and increasing the cost.50

  • ForMAX

    errr.. MAX, I think what you are posting and the way you flood this board is unethical, flooding a good discussion group with copy/pasted, plageariized materials .. very UNcharacteristic of LEGAL people in the U.S. hehehe… you are putting the illegals in bad light with your bad behaviour. Why not put out your OWN blog?Besides if you put an investment with ILLEGAL investors, then you have an ILLEGAL business, eh? Hello SEC!!! Hello Labor Dept. !!! No No, I was always taught to be honest and law abiding.

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  • AZresident

    Why is it that people can't see the simple fact of the illegality of immigrants who do not follow the law and enter the state legally? This notion that since they aren't hurting anybody it should be okay is assanine. How many people are affected by criminals who rob banks and get away with it? Should they be allowed to keep the money and not go to jail because it didn't directly effect anyone. How about the guy who goes to jail for stealing a car off of a dealer lot ( which happens all the time) he didn't really affect anyone. People, illegal means illegal. If there is a legal way to get into the country and you don't follow it, ITs ILLEGAL. There is a legal way to earn money and any citizen of the United States who earns money illegally will go to jail, but we should give a different treatment to people from other countries. How does this make sense? You either follow laws or get rid of them all across the board, don't just pick and choose which laws you feel like following.

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  • http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/immigration-myths-and-facts Max9010

    No wonder of most of these bigotry comments and hate. How many convicts answer in these pollsWhen 250.000.000 Criminal Victimizationin the United States, 2007 Statistical Tables ?(Statistic 2007) How many US ex Convicts live is the US, and how many of those participate on this poll

  • http://www.aclu.org/immigrants-rights/immigration-myths-and-facts Max9010

    You declare someone illigal what a joke! Ethics Moral Dignety down the toiletChrist himself “was an itinerant preacher with no place to lay his head” and “a refugee who fled the terror of Herod”Jewish Federation of Southern Arizona calls for immigration reformPosted: May 14, 2010 3:32 PM PDT Updated: May 14, 2010 3:32 PM PDT Web Producer: David RushTucson, (KGUN9-TV/JFSA)- The Jewish Federation of Southern Arizona is calling on federal immigration reform. The group said it has serious concerns about Arizona's new immigration law.The Jewish Community Relations Council released the following statement:The Jewish Community Relations Council of the Jewish Federation of Southern Arizona has serious concerns about the new law, Immigration: Law Enforcement; Safe Neighborhoods Act (SB 1070) and its potential impact on human rights and human dignity. We acknowledge the need for a more secure border and comprehensive immigration reform that places priority on the safety and security of Arizona's citizens, and thus urge Congress to immediately introduce comprehensive immigration reform that will address fair legal immigration policies and a commitment to enforcement that respects human dignity and human rights for all.As members of the Jewish community who have been considered “strangers” throughout history, we know well the fear of living as “outsiders.” The Torah (Hebrew Bible) states that we “shall have one law for the stranger and the citizens alike” (Leviticus 24:22), and tells us seventeen distinct times to “Love the stranger.” In addition, we are commanded to establish a fair justice system and to “judge the people with righteous justice” (Deuteronomy 16:12). These passages provide great relevance with respect to the rights of immigrants. With this law, local law enforcement officers who have “reasonable suspicion” about a person's immigration status are required to demand immigration papers. We are concerned that this will create distrust between local law enforcement and those they are sworn to serve and protect. We are also concerned that members of the immigrant and Latino communities, both legal citizens and non-citizens, will be reluctant to report crimes or to cooperate with local law enforcement out of fear of discrimination for or separation from their families and themselves. We hope bipartisan support will address a fair immigration policy, as our nation is committed to enforcement that respects human dignity and human rights.”I don't need to see your green card status before I know if I'm going to treat you like a human being,”

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  • Will

    You obviously don't pay much attention to any news that doesn't meet your ideological requirements. After all, it's pretty hard to call the kidnapping capital of the USA (Phoenix, AZ, with just over 1 kdinapping a day reported last year, though police fear that the number of unreported kidnappings is much higher) one of the safest cities in the country.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30646995/http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6848672&...http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124441724453292...I guess some people consider 'only' 366 reported kidnappings a year a qualifier for being one of the safest cities in America. I'm not one of them though.

  • tm

    this guys is an idiot!! why dont u try living here and then telling everyone how safe you think it is living next to this boarder!!

  • Nathan Hegedus

    I would say that taking one specific crime is more catering to your ideological needs, rather than looking at safety as a whole. Where would you rather be in terms of violent crime, Chicago, Detroit or Phoenix?

    If Phoenix is not your first choice for safety, you are crazy.

    And for all the commenters, I spent five weeks in Tucson this year.

  • Michael

    The amount of students going do in schools thats good right. Well thats good less federal money going to Arizona schools. How many landlord left high and dry? Thats good lower house prices and rent. Thats if these land lords can hold on with no renters and rents barely high enough to take care of expenses. I say lets fence off Arizona and check thier papers and not allow them in our country since they fell they can oppress the right of children born in this country and make them illegal as well. Can't is against our consitution. Oh I forgot not in Arizona. The McCain state it a matter of time before you realize and it maybe to late that you needed these people. You complain about the federal government yet if it wasn't for the federal government you wouldn't even exist due to the fact. How did you get your water? I say let Arizona be what it is and that a worthless dessert. Oh and illegal border crossing.

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  • DNO

    max, you have a skill for selecting facts. I have worked those jobs us white guys won't do. Factor in a guy like me getting 8 bucks an hour or an illegal getting 6 bucks an hour leaving me unemployed? I have car insurance but the illegal that rear ended me didn't! Feels good to be all sweet and welcoming untill its your pocket thats getting picked.

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